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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by oaiey »

ActorNightly wrote: post #398
drnick1 wrote: post #363

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That's not Linux, that's a VM running Linux on Windows. Not very satisfying if you want the real thing, or want a real Linux DE.

>that's a VM running Linux on Windows While thats true, its not what you think it is. WSL1 was VM in a traditional sense, it ran under windows. When you install WSL2, it basically changes your computer core OS to be a bare metal hypervisor (specialized version of Hyper V). Its the same concept as any cloud provider letting people provision VMs that run at native performance on the actual hardware. So WLS2 can talk to…

WSL 1 was not a VM in a traditional sense. WSL 1 was a Windows subsystem which translated Linux syscalls into NT syscalls (e.g. file open). NT has capabilities there from its origins in the 90s supporting in theory user spaces for posix/os2/...

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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russelg wrote: post #383
mort96 wrote: post #297

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They are. But the experience of using a MacBook Pro for pretty much any purpose other than gaming is that they’re entirely silent. To the point that it’s an exceptional circumstance when a build job is so intense and so long running that fans kick in. As such, when you’re marketing your competing product, maybe don’t lead with the fans.

Understandable. But if you were attempting to do the same thing as the RTX Spark on a MacBook (i.e. run local models), you would also definitely be hearing those fans. Perhaps not the best marketing play, but it is true to the real experience of using the product for this use case.

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Post by colechristensen »

whatever1 wrote: post #386
thewebguyd wrote: post #346

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> Docks are horrifying products. Thunderbolt docks are doubly horrifying. I believe it. From all my years as a sysadmin, docks were by far the second largest source of headaches (after printers). Super high failure rate, all kinds of quirks, shoddy power delivery. And these weren't some cheap amazon basics dongles, I'm talking the $250+ docks from Dell, Lenovo, etc.

Docks ok. But why printers are such a hot mess? For the past 20 years they could have been just webservers that we send REST requests to. But no, we had to install random drivers on our machines, get blue screens and have to plug and unplug the printers until they get reset properly.

Printers are complex robots, require frequent supply refills, and are high touch interactions with people. (people printing things wrong, people misusing printing resources, managing quotas for same, etc.)

It's not just firmware.

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Post by xnzakg »

sandreas wrote: post #395

While I somehow like the fact that Microsoft is trying to compete, their problem stays the same: There are too many people involved. - Nvidia - Mediatek - Microsoft - Windows team - Surface team - Marketing team - ... The main advantage of Apple is and will be, that they control the hardware AND the software / firmware completely and can make devices that feel completely cohesive. That's the reason Framework has an a…

> ultrasonic chirp authentication

Source? Can't find any good source on this.

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Post by coffe2mug »

jo-m wrote: post #409
daemin wrote: post #396

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One concern I've heard about the move to ARM cores is that it is done in order to lock down the devices more so they're more like a phone rather than a computer.

What does locking down the device have to do with the CPU architecture?

ARM based devices don't have boot anything you want like x86 platform - in practice.

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Post by vel0city »

jval43 wrote: post #303
alargemoose wrote: post #278

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This is even more of a knock to Microsoft but the overheating during sleep issue can affect any windows laptop made in the last 5 or so years. The cause is nothing surface specific, it’s Microsoft enforcing “Modern standby” and blocking S3/S4 sleep states in windows. My best understanding is that some bug causes the system to stay awake after one of the periodic wake ups to check for updates/notifications that happen…

My work laptop just started doing this 3 weeks ago! It's insane. Rather new machine too. It gets so hot in my bag I actually worry about it starting a fire one day. I now take it out every night. Obviously I tried googling but no dice. Nothing changed, settings seem in order, no idea what to do.

It's probably a particular device that's causing it to wake. Check out using sleepstudy.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by denysvitali »

tw04 wrote: post #320
denysvitali wrote: post #302

The Surface line is, HW-wise, very good IMHO. Too bad the software is awful. Thankfully the Linux Surface community is pretty strong. Proprietary Microsoft drivers don't make it easy, but we're getting there... https://github.com/linux-surface/surface-pro-x I'll buy another one if there's some commitment from Microsoft to be more open source friendly, but since this will never happen, they can keep their HW.

I get it’s not what you’re asking for, but WSL on windows is a lot more friendly than anything Apple has done in the last decade to assist in Linux support.

No. I *don't want Windows*. WSL is not an option for me. In fact, Linux is the only option, and it's what I chose.

Thankfully AI nowadays does an amazing job in issue diagnostic and resolution, and even patches the kernel to make stuff work, so this is the viable solution.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by sandreas »

xnzakg wrote: post #414
sandreas wrote: post #395

While I somehow like the fact that Microsoft is trying to compete, their problem stays the same: There are too many people involved. - Nvidia - Mediatek - Microsoft - Windows team - Surface team - Marketing team - ... The main advantage of Apple is and will be, that they control the hardware AND the software / firmware completely and can make devices that feel completely cohesive. That's the reason Framework has an a…

> ultrasonic chirp authentication Source? Can't find any good source on this.

https://tinymicros.com/wiki/Apple_iPod_Remote_Protocol

My guess is, that Apple did not invent this to prevent others from implementing it or have something proprietary, but just because the iPod Shuffle used the same connector for Headphones and USB (see page 8 in [1]), so they somehow had to ensure, what type of cable is connected to prevent damage to the iPod.

Another interesting fact:

The iPod classic 2009 does support some of the features (play/pause, next, previous), but lacks support for fast forward and rewind (click + hold, 2 clicks + hold).

1: https://cdsassets.apple.com/live/6GJYWVAV/user/locale/de-de/...

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Post by denysvitali »

xyst wrote: post #345
denysvitali wrote: post #302

The Surface line is, HW-wise, very good IMHO. Too bad the software is awful. Thankfully the Linux Surface community is pretty strong. Proprietary Microsoft drivers don't make it easy, but we're getting there... https://github.com/linux-surface/surface-pro-x I'll buy another one if there's some commitment from Microsoft to be more open source friendly, but since this will never happen, they can keep their HW.

And you lost me at proprietary Microsoft drivers. No way I am spending any money on this future brick.

I mean, between Qualcomm proprietary drivers and Microsoft, I don't know what's worse.

Thanks god reverse engineering with AI is a thing now, so the path forward looks nicer. But still...

Anyways, the Surface Pro X is such a nice HW. Too bad the company who built it is so bad.

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Post by HexDecOctBin »

ActorNightly wrote: post #390
HexDecOctBin wrote: post #342

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> you can disable all the annoying AI/Advertising shit What Stockholm Syndrome is this? Why should you have to do this in the first place?

Are you pretending that Apple doesn't spam you with endless advertisements?

Wouldn't know.
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