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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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The Saab GlobalEye is based on the Bombardier Global 6500 airframe. Bombardier Aviation is a Canadian company. For those who aren't aware, the Boeing E7 is yet-another-delayed-Boeing project. The UK has bought it but it has been continually delayed: https://breakingdefense.com/2026/03/uk-defense-official-boei... Australia flies it (an earlier version) but today announced they are also buying three Bombardier Global 6…

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Land deal? Russia has never asked for a land deal. They started the war and their goal has always been the total destruction of Ukraine and the enslavement of the people. Where they’ve pulled back from occupied areas they’ve mass civilian graves and bodies with signs of torture.

Stop spreading propaganda. - Ukrainians are the second largest ethnicity in Russia. - The majority of people living on a currently contested territories of Ukraine used to be USSR citizens. - Russia got the majority of Ukrainian refugees since the start of a war if we count per country. - Pretty much all the former Ukraine citizens got Russian passports and a citizens of Russia now. - And yes, if Ukraine is using cit…

> Ukrainians are the second largest ethnicity in Russia.

Ukrainian were second largest ethnicity in Russian Empire/Russian federation until massive massacre in 1932-1934 years, when an uknown number of Ukrainians between 7 million (confirmed by Russian Duma at 04.02.2008, adults only, childrens are not counted) and 25 millions (total number of USSR citizens died because of hunger, number from soviet archives captured by Germans in 1941) was murdered or starved to death.

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I don't think that is really relavent. Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america). Even without a formal promise, other countries are going to notice america hanging ukraine out to dry and add that to their calculations when deciding who to be buddy-buddy with.

>Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america). Well then maybe the US stopped sending them weapons in order to address the underlying problem?

Where does Trump sucking up to Putin fit into this?

What problem is that solving?

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In the past countries would buy American equipment even if it wasn’t the best fit because that would make you essentially an American ally. Being part of the U.S. ecosystem was valuable. Unfortunately, over the last 1.5 years, the political value proposition has turned by 180 degrees. - Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. But the U.S. has been tearing ag…

This is 100% true and I agree with all of it, but I would just add that for fighter jets specifically the calculus is a bit different. Unless you want to buy Chinese jets your choices are either F35s or a big step down to 4th generation fighters that are materially worse in terms of capability. Modern 4th gen fighters are still very capable, cheaper, simpler and more reliable, but if you ever do end up facing an adve…

> so the trade off of choosing not to buy F35s is very real

Amazing planes and all, but given that America is struggling to win the wars it starts, how useful are they?

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> "We need to find a way to deal with Russia with humanity instead of treating them like some boomer-era cold war bogeyman." Are you even aware of what has been going on in Ukraine for the last 4 years, and in Crimea for the last 12?

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Crimea lived happily before Russians and will live hapilly after Russians. Russians will not.

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>Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. The US never promised to protect Ukraine. It's often claimed that the Budapest Memorandum was a promise from the US to protect Ukraine, but this is misinformation. Read the memorandum for yourself if you don't believe me, it's not very long: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/P...

I don't think that is really relavent. Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america). Even without a formal promise, other countries are going to notice america hanging ukraine out to dry and add that to their calculations when deciding who to be buddy-buddy with.

> Ukraine was essentially invaded because they became too friendly with NATO (and hence america).

Also because it was considering joining the EU.

The Russians threatened at least as early as 2008 that they would invade Ukraine if they did either. They actually invaded Ukraine in 2014 and captured a lot of territory.

Why did the US and their European allies not plan for the Russians doing what they had threatened to do and had actually done in the past? It seems incompetent.

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Here's a video from this year from a French General that is more up to date on the current vibes https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XQJ5YEsNQws And for some more data than anecdote, the current polling where the US is now 14 points behind China in net approval. https://news.gallup.com/poll/707945/china-edges-past-global-...

Eh, the US was also hated in Europe as Biden was sending lots of money to Ukraine in the wake of Russia's invasion: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/06/11/views-of-the-u... You can see even with Biden as president, around half of Europe's population regarded the US unfavorably. This was at a time when the US was sending more aid per capita than almost all European countries: https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/com…

The very statistic you presented, shows that the USA was seen as neutral, slightly favorable. The fact that there is now an unprecedented animosity towards the emerging autocracy of the USA, does not mean there were no issues before. They just pale in comparison.

You didn't give me enough good grades for my actions, therefore I run amok now, doesn't sound like healthy behaviour.

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Agree completely. But part of that would be getting Russia to stop attempting to become a cold-war boogeyman, and stop behaving like a cold-war boogeyman. Russia also signed that treaty, and is also blatantly breaking it.

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If the US did interfere, that’s poor. What do you think of Russian involvement in Ukrainian elections?

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New Ukraine aid effectively ended with the current administration, if you were unaware

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What? The EU buys them but that’s a US expense?

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It's much more preferable to take the money - and it would have been even much more preferable if Putin knew that from the get go. In fact - if Ukraine were to have had that $90B 2 years ago, it may have accelerated the situation (though not guaranteed). This is not 'EU strategy' it's EU crawling out from it's own disorganization. This is Putin's only great advantage - to take advantage of complacency, bureaucracy, a…

Russia and Iran figured out how to jam Starlink.

And then attacked US bases. While the US eased sanctions on Russia and talked up Putin.

It’s a wild time.

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