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MacBook Neo Deep Dive: Benchmarks, Wafer Economics, and the 8GB Gamble

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Post by macintux »

pashky wrote: post #263
mmoustafa wrote: post #226

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how do you select text?

Three finger drag. That was the best and unique thing about apple touchpads since, like, early 2000s, but then it was buried deep down the menus and forgotten for some reason. But seriously - try it, you might never go back.

Yep: tap to click and 3-finger drag are amazing. I know mice are useful, particularly for games, but every time I'm forced to use one when helping someone with their computer I absolutely rage at it. Apple's trackpads, and software for same, are a big reason I'm not tempted to go back to Linux.

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Post by kergonath »

ahartmetz wrote: post #321
kergonath wrote: post #305

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> you don't usually run into memory pressure with 8 GB and Linux unless you do a few specific things Like using Chrome…

Use Firefox then

Fair enough, Firefox is a bit better. But not that much, a lot of the bloat comes from unoptimised web pages running megabytes of JavaScript. Also, Firefox is close to a rounding error nowadays.

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Post by ahartmetz »

kergonath wrote: post #412
ahartmetz wrote: post #321

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Use Firefox then

Fair enough, Firefox is a bit better. But not that much, a lot of the bloat comes from unoptimised web pages running megabytes of JavaScript. Also, Firefox is close to a rounding error nowadays.

What does it matter how many other people use Firefox if it's the better browser for your situation?

FWIW I've never really considered Chrome: First it looked ugly (weird UI and bad font rendering on Linux), then Google gave itself permission to be evil and then they limited ad blockers. They fixed the font rendering at some point.

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Post by alsetmusic »

Rohansi wrote: post #381
alsetmusic wrote: post #341

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No. Nothing about MacOS prevents users from installing alternative OSes. Even with Apple's custom chips, that remains true. It's only that it's a smaller target that limits options as fewer people are writing software for that hardware than for x86. See Asahi to verify[0]. I've been a donor since the week they opened a Patreon account. 0. https://asahilinux.org/fedora/

> Nothing about MacOS prevents users from installing alternative OSes. Even with Apple's custom chips, that remains true. Reminder that the possibility of installing a third-party operating system on Apple hardware is not a given. The same silicon is used in iPhones and iPads where you absolutely cannot install another operating system.

While factually true, it has no bearing on my ability to install Asahi on my M1 Air, which I did a year or so ago just to kick the tires. It was straightforward and easy and worked. Impressive work by that team.

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Post by a96 »

refactor_master wrote: post #153
wiseowise wrote: post #79

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And you forgot the best part: it is completely silent.

Still baffles the mind that Apple solved this issue some 20+ years ago, and others _still_ haven't. I remember being basically surrounded by jet engines running Word in school. A few years ago in an old job I got a monster-specced Dell laptop, and it would still roar if I opened anything. I had to pull all the nerf tricks through the BIOS to at least keep it somewhat tolerable in low-load scenarios (i.e. most of the…

Others solved it 20 years ago. Apple still hasn't.

Fanboys.

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Post by a96 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #111
darkteflon wrote: post #38

I bought an 8gb M1 Air in 2020 (for what now feels like an absurdly small sum of money) as an experiment in how-cheap-is-too-cheap / chuckable travel laptop. I ended up using it as my main laptop for 2 years without regret, then handed it to my son for school. It remains in perfect condition and as delightful to use as the day I bought it (Apple software snafus notwithstanding). I fully expect to get at least 10 year…

I wouldn't be embarrassed, Apple computers hold their value and performance for a remarkable amount of time, and that was even before Apple Silicon, which, as I'm still running an M1 Pro machine, will last quite a while, another several years yet.

Value, no. They're electronics. The value crashes with each new model, because it's not worth buying older when newer is the same price. And because they're ludicrously expensive, the actual amount of value lost is massive. You lose hundreds to thousands each year. It's like buying a new car.

Ones low down in the curve can be less steep of course.

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Post by hirako2000 »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #401
hirako2000 wrote: post #344

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M4 24gb screen broke after just 6 months. Back to m1, just 8gb*. It sometimes hang for a second or two, but you know what. I'm happy with it. That's when I have 38 tabs, two IDEs and try to grep some text on VS code.

Did you buy it used ? Why wouldn’t it be under warrantee. This is a new Mac sale still not an upgrade path .

Brand new. But Apple typically considers a screen Crack as accidental damage. Perhaps to sell those apple care extended warrantee.

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Post by a96 »

stodor89 wrote: post #98
fredoliveira wrote: post #64

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I legitimately have no idea what "SS" means next to a port, and I've seen it plenty of times. Labeling doesn't solve everything. The message on screen that you get when you plug something into the wrong port on the Neo is, obviously, much better because it assumes nothing about the user's knowledge except for the ability to read.

> I legitimately have no idea what "SS" means next to a port surströmming

Do. Not. Open. That. Port.

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Post by a96 »

Rohansi wrote: post #370
philistine wrote: post #351

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Asahi Linux is only able to be installed on an M2. They basically take 2 years per new chip, when Apple releases one yearly. At this point, they'll never catch up.

M3 is taking longer than 2 years now. That came out late 2023.

And Asahi seems to have been M1/2 only and nothing since then, no matter what the timeframe.

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Post by a96 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #414
Rohansi wrote: post #381

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> Nothing about MacOS prevents users from installing alternative OSes. Even with Apple's custom chips, that remains true. Reminder that the possibility of installing a third-party operating system on Apple hardware is not a given. The same silicon is used in iPhones and iPads where you absolutely cannot install another operating system.

While factually true, it has no bearing on my ability to install Asahi on my M1 Air, which I did a year or so ago just to kick the tires. It was straightforward and easy and worked. Impressive work by that team.

But only on M1, maybe M2. There's sadly no sign of any future after that.
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