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He wasn’t hired, he was elected.
That's a bit pedantic. There's really not much of a difference there. He can be fired too, but the current shitheads in charge would never do that.
Between being hired and being elected? There’s a massive difference and it’s not pedantic at all to point out the ridiculousness of a statement like “the president was hired”.
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>Is this specific to US culture? And what about your work environment makes it such a risk? It's called garden leave, it's popular everywhere, especially if it's a big international company with diverse workforce, sensitive to IP rights, since there's been plenty of cases of people taking company IP on USB drives to the new employer, like that Indian guy who took IP from Valeo to Nvidia and got his home raided by the…
What's stopping people's from doing that while employed? I think if you treat your employees with respect, they don't feel the need to this kind of retaliation.
That guy was a six figure paid SW engineer, who stole IP for the opportunity to jump ship to an even better paid gig at Nvidia, not a minimum wage fast food worker who couldn't take it anymore.
Scammers will always be scammers and will use any excuse and opportunity to get ahead, no matter how much you trust, value and pay them, they'll always want more from you even when you have no more to give. They'll bankrupt you gladly if they can get away with it, out of greed, envy, spite and malice, I saw this when my parents ran a small business.
In globalized multinational companies, you can't defend from this using mutual trust and respect, only by strict IP protection, law enforcement, fines and jail time as a deterrent.
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>Is this specific to US culture? And what about your work environment makes it such a risk? It's called garden leave, it's popular everywhere, especially if it's a big international company with diverse workforce, sensitive to IP rights, since there's been plenty of cases of people taking company IP on USB drives to the new employer, like that Indian guy who took IP from Valeo to Nvidia and got his home raided by the…
It is not that common in Norway. It has at least been argued in the past that working your notice period is not just an obligation to employer if they want to enforce it, but a right for the employee on the basis that being walked out can affect your reputation by implying possible misconduct exactly because it has generally been uncommon in Norway. I haven't worked in Norway for a long time, so haven't kept up to da…
And what if they don't want to enforce it? Which is what I was talking about.
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>You should have tried to create a business or fulfill G-ds hopes for you when you had the chance Says who? What does God have to do with this topic? And why are you censoring the word God? >but you sold out and took the easy pay check. I didn't sell anything, nor was the paycheck easy, it was all hard honest work from school to university to put food on the table for my family. Why do I need to justify myself to you…
(hackeridiot12 may be Jewish - IME Jews often type "G-d" because spelling the deity's name in impermanent text is disrespectful. Bit odd from my perspective, but harmless :))
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What's stopping people's from doing that while employed? I think if you treat your employees with respect, they don't feel the need to this kind of retaliation.
So stealing IP, breaking the law and your contractual obligations, should be allowed if you feel like your employer isn't valuing you enough? That guy was a six figure paid SW engineer, who stole IP for the opportunity to jump ship to an even better paid gig at Nvidia, not a minimum wage fast food worker who couldn't take it anymore. Scammers will always be scammers and will use any excuse and opportunity to get ahea…
Please don't straw man me. Discuss in good faith, and don't invent things I didn't say. I never said anything remotely close to that being allowed. I said that it could happen even if you don't terminate all their accesses the moment they're let go. And the fact that some people have to worry about it reflects on how the employer behaves or the trust in the society.
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So stealing IP, breaking the law and your contractual obligations, should be allowed if you feel like your employer isn't valuing you enough? That guy was a six figure paid SW engineer, who stole IP for the opportunity to jump ship to an even better paid gig at Nvidia, not a minimum wage fast food worker who couldn't take it anymore. Scammers will always be scammers and will use any excuse and opportunity to get ahea…
> So stealing IP, breaking the law and your contractual obligations, should be allowed if you feel like your employer isn't valuing you enough? Please don't straw man me. Discuss in good faith, and don't invent things I didn't say. I never said anything remotely close to that being allowed. I said that it could happen even if you don't terminate all their accesses the moment they're let go. And the fact that some peo…
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So stealing IP, breaking the law and your contractual obligations, should be allowed if you feel like your employer isn't valuing you enough? That guy was a six figure paid SW engineer, who stole IP for the opportunity to jump ship to an even better paid gig at Nvidia, not a minimum wage fast food worker who couldn't take it anymore. Scammers will always be scammers and will use any excuse and opportunity to get ahea…
> So stealing IP, breaking the law and your contractual obligations, should be allowed if you feel like your employer isn't valuing you enough? Please don't straw man me. Discuss in good faith, and don't invent things I didn't say. I never said anything remotely close to that being allowed. I said that it could happen even if you don't terminate all their accesses the moment they're let go. And the fact that some peo…
I'm not. That's just the only logical takeaway from your comment saying: "I think if you treat your employees with respect, they don't feel the need to this kind of retaliation."
How else would you interpret it, rather than a veiled threat that if employees don't get their way then they'll steal or sabotage you? Please explain in detail. If you feel you're not treated the way you want to, then quit and find another job, don't steal or sabotage your employer.
> I said that it could happen even if you don't terminate all their accesses the moment they're let go.
Yeah, but it's WAAY more likely to happen AFTER you give them notice of termination since breaking relationships be them romantic or employment, can cause people to do illegal things like steal from their employer or murder their spouse in an impulse of revenge, when they hear their relationship is being terminated. All this is documented from decades of police and legal records, and companies know this, so they take preventive measures.
>And the fact that some people have to worry about it reflects on how the employer behaves or the trust in the society.
Companies worry about it because some people are gonna be evil thieves no matter how well they're treated.
If you want to get better treatment then negotiate better, talk to lawyers, organize in unions, vote, go protest, pester your representatives, but don't break the law or steal from your employer in revenge, as that reflects badly on all workers, and the economic, legal and societal costs of a few thieves will be distributed on the honest ones in forms of more workplace surveillance, higher cost of doing business, higher insurance premiums, etc all of which have a negative upstream effect on wages and employment opportunities.
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It is not that common in Norway. It has at least been argued in the past that working your notice period is not just an obligation to employer if they want to enforce it, but a right for the employee on the basis that being walked out can affect your reputation by implying possible misconduct exactly because it has generally been uncommon in Norway. I haven't worked in Norway for a long time, so haven't kept up to da…
> working your notice period is not just an obligation to employer if they want to enforce it And what if they don't want to enforce it? Which is what I was talking about.
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Beliefs can't be "gross", they can only be true or false, justified or unjustified. There is no such thing as a morally wrong belief. That would be the confusion between fact and value.
> Beliefs can't be "gross" of course they can, like believing that mexican people are inferior or something – gross > they can only be true or false, justified or unjustified this is incorrect > There is no such thing as a morally wrong belief this is also incorrect > That would be the confusion between fact and value. this, too, is incorrect