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Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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All those lawsuits against students who downloaded but didn't even redistribute mp3s. Less than a fair use transformation. Just the file download itself. ... Lesson learned: those students should have stolen millions instead!

That may have been an information shaping campaign. If the end-user can get prosecuted, the discourse turns from a positive to a negative connotation inherently, which helps curb the behavior by the powers-that-be.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

#412

Funny how people are suddenly on Elsevier's side. It's clear to me that AI training is transformative fair use under existing law. Maybe this will be the case to prove it.

I find it grating that so many AI boosters try to frame pushing back against the AI industry as a sudden about-face for everyone that spent the last 20 years pushing back against the copyright industry. I’m also in favor of decriminalizing or legalizing small amounts of pot for personal use. That doesn’t mean I’m behind industrialized narcotic production on such a huge scale that it that it starts to distort the econ…

Tell me more about these methamphetamine products. Inquiring minds would like to know!

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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It’s terrible that Epstein did that. And Thiel is a really odd duck, that’s for sure. Do you have any evidence that files related to Trump were held back? I don’t believe that’s the case. He’s mentioned in many of the files. I found it particularly interesting that Trump was an FBI informant that worked with the government to get Epstein convicted. Have you done more than Trump has done to stop human trafficking? If…

There is zero evidence Trump informed the FBI about Epstein. Trump was Epstein's close friend for many years. There are many photos of Trump partying with Epstein and young women. It is impossible that Trump did not know what Epstein was up to. At a minimum, he knew about tremendous abuse of children and did nothing to stop it, despite being a wealthy and powerful man. At worst, he fully participated. Fuck you and yo…

There is evidence that Trump informed the FBI and local law enforcement about Epstein. You may not find it convincing, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

History is an ordered list. Yes, Trump was friends with Epstein for a number of years. But then what happened?

Yes, Trump knew Epstein was a creep. The documentation indicates that he did do something about it.

You can yell at me and be rude all you’d like though. This is the internet after all.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...

I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It almost feels like everyone wants to go back to labels carpet bombing students with lawsuits[0] [0] https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaa-v-thepeople.html

> I just don't see why everyone seems to not be cheering that perhaps we are not going to go back to the days where all those kids are going to be re charged. It almost feels like everyone wants to go back to labels carpet bombing students with lawsuits

It’s currently just as bad but in a different way, imho.

The ability for labels (or whoever owns the rights) to wantonly invoke automated DMCA copyright strikes and demonetization on social media channels like YouTube is borderline criminal to me.

Their lobby did a great job getting them more than they deserved (specifically with regards to the facilitation of capricious invoking of DMCA), but the abuse of the rules limits the growth of the creator economy in very unhealthy ways.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

#415

I had to block meta's ASN on my personal cgit server a few weeks ago because they were ignoring robots.txt and torching it. Like hundreds of megabytes of access logs just from them, spread around different network blocks to clearly try and defeat IP based limiting. I couldn't believe it.

IMO ASN-based blocking should be much more common, but unfortunately it is not supported as a first-class configuration option in many common tools.

It would break the internet to make this available to the average person. A large swath would actively choose to block stuff like: all of Meta, Alphabet, Apple, Amazon, etc etc etc.

Anyhoo, now you mention it this is the tack I am going to take in my own network, thanks!

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...

Definitely what pisses me off the most. All these "pirates"? Arrested. Why isn't the copyright industry raiding the homes of these tech billionaires then? Why isn't SWAT pointing guns at their faces while the squad seizes all of their computers and equipment? Why aren't these CEOs in cuffs?

Because society is based on power structures and the people at the top of power structures generally do not arrest themselves.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

#417
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A lot of people would be very pleased if this leads to Zuckerberg getting even the statutory minimum damages ($750?) on each infringement. The previous infringement case with Anthropic said that while training an AI was transformative and not itself an infringement, pirating works for that purpose still was definitely infringement all by itself. The settlement was $1.5bn, so close to $3k for each of the 500k they pir…

What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...

didn't all of this ai stuff happen because they gave away llama? worth it imo

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO ASN-based blocking should be much more common, but unfortunately it is not supported as a first-class configuration option in many common tools.

It would break the internet to make this available to the average person. A large swath would actively choose to block stuff like: all of Meta, Alphabet, Apple, Amazon, etc etc etc. Anyhoo, now you mention it this is the tack I am going to take in my own network, thanks!

Nah, they'd just pay botnet operators a few thousand bucks for proxy services.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Personally Authorized and Encouraged' Meta's Copyright Infringement

#419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's frustrating is all those kids who got criminal charges for running MP3 sites back in the day [1], and this guy rips off every piece of media in existence and will walk away literally because he's too rich to be charged. [1] See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Legal_pro...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records%2C_Inc._v._Tho... 24 songs and was at one point $80k per song, almost 20 years ago. Let's let Zuck off with an even 100k per infringement.

It was his decision and he conspired with his employees to do it for profit. The statutory maximum IIRC is around $250k per work, on the criminal enforcement side. If the rights holders can show actual damages greater than that they can sue civilly for those damages plus some fixed amount per work.
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