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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by philistine »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #351
slg wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lobbyists don’t lobby just to lobby, they lobby on behalf of someone paying them. So this doesn’t actually answer the question, it just shifts it to “Who is behind the lobbyists?”

No kidding. I'm saying that those parties were mentioned in past threads and that I don't recall the details.

You're decrying this supposed issue, that multiple countries are all copying one another for legislation. You've repeated this multiple times in these comments.

And yet, after all this, you're not interested enough to remember who's behind this important issue for you. If someone really cares they should get informed.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by hackable_sand »

xg15 wrote: post #291
Matl wrote: post #243

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Why am I being forced to prove to my OS that I am an adult just because of your inadequate parenting skills?

Because lots of people have inadequate parenting skills (last time I checked you didn't need a license for parenting) and tech companies are actively exploiting that.

So stop those tech companies from exploiting people

We're about to own goal because... what... because suddenly everyone ran out of ideas? Because suddenly it's too much work?

But it wasn't too much work to build the torment nexus?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by hackable_sand »

synecdoche wrote: post #278
whack wrote: post #257

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> There is a zero percent chance this is organic Who exactly has a vested interest in starting a worldwide conspiracy to ban social media for kids? FWIW as an adult in my 30s, social media has caused me far greater harm than even binge drinking. I can't even imagine growing up as a teenager under the social media microscope

It’s pretext for identifying and tracking everyone. A inevitable ”byproduct” from getting your age by digital ID.

Consider all the side effects.

Now children cannot form solidarity and exit abusive situations as easily. They are not exposed to diverse viewpoints or cultures. They cannot embarrass themselves and learn online social etiquette. They cannot engage with much of the online culture at all really.

It's sinister and patronizing, born from fear and ignorance, nothing else.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by Supermancho »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #373
andrewla wrote: post #317

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For the first part -- silly because there's literally no evidence presented of a conspiracy. No connection between the individual agents and actors. No motivation given for the underlying commonalities. And most importantly, for this "scale" of conspiracy, there's no suggestion that other avenues towards the same nefarious ends are in progress. It's just a bunch of countries and organizations proposing similar laws b…

> silly because there's literally no evidence The evidence is the part where it very obviously isn't organic. The behavior is clearly too coordinated when compared to past global changes in regulation. > People and lawmakers are just not thinking through the privacy implications ... It seems much more likely to me that they are thinking them through and that they have ulterior motives. BTW "violent agreement" refers…

> The evidence is the part where it very obviously isn't organic.

Global Context: Norway joins France, Spain, and Denmark, which are considering similar measures, while Australia and Turkey (which bans users under 15) have already implemented restrictions. The UK recently rejected a similar under-16 ban.

I think it obviously is. Just as much as the migration to solar is organic. There are foils, but there is also an underpinning concerns fueling the global momentum. It's very likely that the functioning western governments (ie still representing the public's interests) are doing just that. These foils include the public service who work with children, who have been sounding the alarm for years being heard and the population that grew up with social media, are now old enough to do something about what they perceive as damaging.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by bluegatty »

logicchains wrote: post #251
bluegatty wrote: post #233

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It's about kids. Its serious problem, every parent knows this. It has some scary negative externalities. Related issue, but not the same issue.

>Its serious problem, every parent knows this Not "every parent knows this"; lots of parents fiercely oppose their kids being banned from access to decentralized information and communication sources. Would you prefer your kids get all their information from textbooks written by Glisaine Maxwell's father, all their news from sources owned by zionist-aligned billionaries?

This is about 'social networking and media' - generally not 'information space', ie. Wikipedia et. al. are not regulated.

Crucially, parents can trivially allow their kids to access whatever information they want.

Finally 'textbooks written by such and such' is delving a bit into conspiratorial inanity.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by Supermancho »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #382
maest wrote: post #372

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You should actually try saying something instead of vaguely insinuating something . Like, I legitimately am trying to understand what you're saying but it's frustratingly vague. I feel like you're wasting my time with your attempt to seem like you know more than everyone else.

I did say something. "Think of the children" became a cliche because of how commonly it crops up in politics. At this point it's far more common to see it attached to nefarious measures as opposed to those with accurate statements of intent. The bad faith rhetoric on your part is unwelcome and explicitly against the rules here ... I say to the account from 2014. Given you've been around awhile assuming you were legit…

> The bad faith rhetoric on your part is unwelcome and explicitly against the rules here .

Asking for clarification is a hallmark of good faith discussion. More of that and less snark is healthy.

Yes there are side effects. I would still vote that it's a net good as a practical solution to a number of problems. Notably the suicide rates, declines in testing, and skill development.

The eternal debate between more socially enforced control versus independence. These controls apply to caring for the young versus being used to oppress the adult. Hand waving without specific concerns, isn't going to change the minds of people that have a different take.

I think it's great that there will be plenty of data (for both sides) in the next few decades, with the patchwork adoption.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by card_zero »

philistine wrote: post #411
fc417fc802 wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No kidding. I'm saying that those parties were mentioned in past threads and that I don't recall the details.

You're decrying this supposed issue, that multiple countries are all copying one another for legislation. You've repeated this multiple times in these comments. And yet, after all this, you're not interested enough to remember who's behind this important issue for you . If someone really cares they should get informed.

So they don't really care, so what. It's Meta who are supposedly lobbying.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by simonra »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #180
herf wrote: post #103

Doing this without the parents on board does not work. Kids can lie about their birthdate by a few years. Facial age estimation has error bars of like 5 years and many teens don't have any ID. Younger kids use a parent's phone. Many are not supervised by parents or have parents who are complicit/encouraging in getting them more access. Oh you could be famous! But it is clear that more persistent identifiers online wi…

Parents are massively on board. And they are probably moving to a system where you need to link your device with a government issued cryptographic ID (i.e. passport) using zero knowledge proofs. With a system that ensures an identity can only be installed on one device at a time. This means a parent would have to give up all social media accounts and chat apps on their own phone, in order to give their identity to th…

I use at least 4 different devices on a daily basis, sometimes more. Forfeiting access to things deemed not for children, or I want connected to my ID like banking or prescription renewal, on any one of them because my id can only be on one device, is not an acceptable solution. My phone and gaming machine need equal access to content some would object to others (especially children) interacting with, while my personal and work laptops have hard needs for me being able to prove my identity. And backup devices should any one of the systems I rely on fail need to be able to come up and running in no more time than it takes to get a replacement from the store.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by hhjinks »

afh1 wrote: post #199
nonethewiser wrote: post #165

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Speak for yourself. I want it banned for kids.

Do you think this is about kids? It's about online identity and government surveillance and control. Even if you think it is about kids, then take responsibility into your own hands, be a parent and prevent your kids from using it. Or you just want to tell other parents to raise their kids the way you want? Then tell them that, don't hide behind fascist police and justice system to force online ID for adults.

How so? We already have digital ID in Norway. How does providing that information to American corporations further Norway's surveillance goals?
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