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The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by devilbunny »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #333
devilbunny wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a fundamental problem here is that people who don’t know any 2A/RKBA people think it’s like most political opinions. Oh, you’re a gun guy, you’re a Republican who like country music and hates them black folk. It isn’t. It’s a group of people, some of whom are country-music-loving Republicans who hate them black folk, but who also include a lot of them black folk, a lot of Democrats, and a lot of people who ha…

> I think a fundamental problem here is that people who don’t know any 2A/RKBA people think it’s like most political opinions. Oh, you’re a gun guy, you’re a Republican who like country music and hates them black folk. > It isn’t. It’s a group of people, some of whom are country-music-loving Republicans who hate them black folk, but who also include a lot of them black folk, a lot of Democrats, and a lot of people wh…

I didn’t explain well here, so mea culpa, but the meat of my argument is later: regardless of their disagreement with a politician on any other issue, these will vote (or not) on one issue. Very few political opinions are that strong. Party is irrelevant. Other concerns don’t apply. Agree with this person on every else, but they are anti-2A? Not getting a vote.

They learned discipline the hard way. They may not vote for the other guy, but they aren’t showing up for you. Very few blocs work that way, that strongly. The ACLU is a great example of a group that was captured and turned to things that really have nothing to do with the core mission of protecting civil liberties. They protect the ones that a certain class of folk deem worthy. They sometimes defend a Nazi to show that they are balanced, I guess. They promote diversity - which is a fine opinion, but isn’t the mission. The 2A groups have a laser focus. Nothing else intrudes. So hippies and rednecks and rappers can all get along because they only have to agree on one thing, and the organization does not care about anything else.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by MisterTea »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #228
MisterTea wrote: post #210

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Yes, third paragraph: "The shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson ..." who was killed by Mangione with a 3D printed gun. Did you forget who the killer was?

This is not the result of Mangione, Mangione is just their excuse for the push.

I think there is a misunderstanding as you are stating the same point I am making. Either way, no point in further arguing this. There wasn't enough fear before the Thompson killing. If a ghost gun killed some plebeian nobody, meh. But a business magnate? Horrible! We need to do something! NOW! The wealthy have immense power and this is that power being projected in form of fear of the armed common man.

CEO's are scared, and not just the ones in health insurance. Look at what recently happened to Sam Altman where someone hurled a molotov cocktail at his home. After the Thompson killing I was in a meeting with a CEO who's net worth is in the upper 9 digits who was himself concerned for his safety (not in health insurance). He mentioned talking to a security firm and spoke of others in his circle who are also concerned and increasing security as well. They are scared. They are taking action.

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Post by kube-system »

RugnirViking wrote: post #397
jandrewrogers wrote: post #350

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No, it doesn’t work like that in the modern world. The nature of the materials are pretty obvious to a remotely competent sensor.

using what physical process? How exactly do they detect any metal? A genuine question.

You can detect nonferrous metals by inducing eddy currents in them, then they become magnetic.

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Post by master-lincoln »

Findecanor wrote: post #216

I used to do cosplay. Many costumes from movies, TV-series and anime are of characters that wield guns, often unique or at least quite distinctive guns. Carrying the correct gun is sometimes a thing that identifies the character, and therefore is an integral part of the cosplay. For example, I used to cosplay for charity in the Star Wars costuming club 501'st Legion [0], where for most costumes a blaster gun of high…

So that law would also diminish the glorification of weapons in pop culture then. I guess that would be seen as positive side effect for the people supporting this ban.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by master-lincoln »

Reminds me of when we built a potato gun from pvc pipes as kids. Another villager noticed us shooting in the fields and when he saw the mechanism he called the local hardware shop and they then required you to be older than 18 to buy pvc pipes.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by kube-system »

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #401
kube-system wrote: post #315

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The liberator is the “hello world” of 3d printed guns. It is just barely functional enough to technically exist but practically isn’t of much use. The barrel is so short and non existent that it basically does nothing except hold the (metal) cartridge in place. A liberator isn’t much different than simply holding a cartridge in a fixture and hitting it with a hammer. In a conventional gun, the barrel serves to allow…

Isn’t the Liberator like 10 years out of date? The last 3D printed gun I saw was a submachinegun capable of full auto. It had a metal barrel but that was described as easy to acquire or make.

Yes but all of the better designs use metal components that aren’t 3d printed. The liberator was to “prove” it could all be 3d printed. Technically true but practically not worth it

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Post by jim33442 »

horsawlarway wrote: post #38

Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

Some expert can make a gun from the hardware store alone, but evidently people find 3D printing way more practical.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by jim33442 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #376
alterom wrote: post #347

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>You can easily go through a couple hundred rounds in one visit to the range. Range shooting is not what they're trying to legislate though. Whoever killed that healthcare CEO didn't need a hundred rounds. This legislation is insanely, horrendously bad and harmful, but "3D printed gun components are useless" isn't a solid argument against it. They're useful enough . The real arguments, as others said, are: 1. You can…

> Range shooting is not what they're trying to legislate though. It's the thing gun manufacturers are selling to their customer base though. The theory was they were lobbying for this to prevent competition, but it's not good enough to actually compete with them. > Whoever killed that healthcare CEO didn't need a hundred rounds. Luigi Mangione didn't have a criminal record. Given his apparent political alignment, he…

Luigi Mangione wasn't trying to get caught. Maybe he was worried buying and using a real gun would link him back to the murder.

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Post by alnwlsn »

dlev_pika wrote: post #20

AFAIK If I try to scan a dollar bill, both the hardware and the software won’t let me be. How is this different? Edit: I appreciate the responses! Thank you

G0 X4.000 Y1.250

G1 Z-4.000 F100

G0 Z0.250

Here is some g-code to drill a hole. It could be drilling out a gun barrel. How can you tell?

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by jim33442 »

remarkEon wrote: post #368
jdougan wrote: post #346

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Look up the WW2 FP-45 Liberator. A bad gun you could use to get a better gun. Theoretically you only need to use it once. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator

I highly doubt that anyone who 3d prints a lower does so to “use” it (I.e. shoot someone) in order to procure a better firearm.

I would think they just print multiple guns and switch if one breaks.
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