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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by fph »

legitster wrote: post #77

> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.” > "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. > When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed o…

Writing prompt: On June 1, the ministry for defense stops issuing these permits. No one knows why, but wild speculation ensues.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by chromacity »

bilsbie wrote: post #221

“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

It's a meaningless, feel-good rule. Every country has countless carve-outs. To give you a trivial example: in the US, you can't get a passport if you owe more than $2,500 in child support.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by petre »

keysersoze33 wrote: post #10

Being 46 (and quite an active 46 year old, just finished a Skitour), am curious why the cutoff for these things tends to be 45?

Mainly because people older than 45 have a hard time marching with 30 kilos of equipment on their backs while blindly obeying orders.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by HappyPanacea »

carlosjobim wrote: post #342
HappyPanacea wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea why you single out nation states, all states are similar.

States before nationalism generally used mercenaries to fight their wars. No soldier was dumb enough to think they were protecting their family.

Vast over-generalization

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

lokar wrote: post #204

A tangent, but I’m interested (as an American) what is the German attitude towards laws that have no enforcement or penalty? Do most people feel an obligation to observe them? Is there any social cost for disregarding them?

The population is very diverse about this I would say. Some people would stand at a red light as pedestrians until they starve to death while others don't give a fuck about anything.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by IncreasePosts »

bilsbie wrote: post #221

“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

Just because some people write some words doesn't mean they have any relevance to any society.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by jltsiren »

ryandrake wrote: post #371
nick486 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its a question of degree. going to the barracks when you get called up by mail vs getting grabbed off the street, punched in the face and shoved into a bus headed for the training center.

But if you don't do #1, then #2 will happen involuntarily, right? So conscription ultimately = physically forced.

They will probably go to prison instead, like some of my friends did. Giving military training to people who definitely don't want it can be a bad idea for many reasons.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by breppp »

rvnx wrote: post #336
breppp wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification - the definition of consent is very stretched.

Thats not how most of the manpower gets there, without even knowing the Ukraine example, I venture to guess based on the superior morale of Ukrainian forces, that most are drafted willingly.

This still does not prove the very general statement GP made, which doesn't align with draft reality in historical wars

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by EA-3167 »

wat10000 wrote: post #182
EA-3167 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unsurprisingly when people here engage in serious politics beyond a desire to enrich themselves, those politics tend to take on a distinctly libertarian bent. I’m not sure what else people expect though, this is a very sheltered group with relatively limited skills outside of specific technical areas. To put it another way this forum skews selfish.

I miss the days when hackerdom reliably skewed selfish instead of fascist.

I miss the days when such people lacked the power to turn their half-baked fantasies into a broken reality for the rest of us. Alas.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by throw-the-towel »

lpcvoid wrote: post #398
throw-the-towel wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Factually untrue, Russian men can and do leave the country. Also, nice whataboutism bro.

You started with bringing Ukraine up under an article about Germany, so how is your comment any less a whataboutism than mine?

That was a different user and not me, but fair point.
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