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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by TheDong »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #373

If you spend $200/month on Anthropic, that's $2400/year. Buy a fast GPU or Strix Halo machine, do the AI locally, after a year you're saving money.

If you want to run better models, you need one of the more expensive GPUs, like an H100 or such ($40k). I don't think any of the smaller models are remotely comparable to anthropic.

The GPU also takes around $500-$1000 in electricity, and even then you won't be able to run a model of as good quality as anthropic.

It's also hard to justify since who knows how quickly it will be outdated, like maybe soon you'll need a blackwell chip (like a $100k PC, check out the NVIDIA DGX Station) to run a decent model.

... It'll take a lot more than a year to pay back a model capable of running openclaw with any sort of reasonable performance.

Or can you report that you've had good luck with a Strix Halo or local GPU for less than $40k up-front costs?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jatora »

paulcole wrote: post #382
benbojangles wrote: post #380

Anthropic are a smart clever research based bunch of people, they probably realised that openclaw is a mess, full of vibe coding get rich quick people, nothing particularly interesting to observe, and don't want to mix this data with the data they have already from real coders.

“What I’m doing is real coding. What you’re doing is a mess full of vibe coding.”

I do enjoy these gatekeepers getting sideswept, their comments being little raindrops in a hurricane. It's a vile mindset.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by fluoridation »

jmalicki wrote: post #399
fluoridation wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference being that an LLM request is not an operating system. Since they're compartmentalized and ephemeral, you can very easily distribute requests among your available hardware so that you can switch off machines during periods of low activity.

Your capital costs for buying those machines don't go away.

That's a problem that already exists in power generation and delivery, and it's already been solved. Bills are sums of fixed terms and variable terms.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by siliconc0w »

As the demand for GPUs grows and supply cannot match it, the GPUs are going towards the enterprise and it'll be the haves vs the have-nots.

Instead of not driving to work to save fuel, frugal companies are going to have their engineers work on weekends to save tokens.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Ifkaluva »

isubkhankulov wrote: post #375
Ifkaluva wrote: post #367

I think this is why the LLM era will not produce as much automation as people think. We have had the ability to automate browser activities for a long time—but, online service providers don’t want to be behind a layer of automation, which is why captchas were invented. Automating things on the Internet has never been a technology obstacle, it has been a social one. I don’t see how anything has changed! In fact I rece…

While I agree with you, thats not what this announcement is about. Anthropic wants to disallow programmatic use of their subscription plans for business reasons as a way to manage demand. They’re having outages, at least weekly, since March.

Thanks for the clarification! I added an edit to my comment.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mvdtnz »

mech422 wrote: post #320
jmalicki wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

you can write automated MCP tools that run within claude code, and could theoretically generate as high a load as any other automated/3rd party agent. You can also do loops that burn tokens incredibly fast. This is allowed with no caveats (I use MCP's basically to test what I'd like to try with the API...) So this explanation just seems a lil hollow.

Anthropic is much more concerned about what people are ACTUALLY doing than what they could, in theory, be doing.

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Post by toraway »

bitwize wrote: post #369
dimmke wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people are finding new ways to use AI, they should change how they bill. Banning third party harnesses is bad for a lot of reasons - it looks like they're trying to force people to use their software. Strategically it might make sense - gives them a tiny moat if their models ever slip - but it discourages the breakneck pace of innovation and the long term effect is that their customers (largely highly skilled with…

Start paying by the token if you want to use these tools. Simple as.

Even better: switch to Codex plus get better rate limits. I’m not a captive audience as much Anthropic would like to believe otherwise.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by neonstatic »

wat10000 wrote: post #394
neonstatic wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't imaging a point where I won't want to ask "what's the weather like?" "please turn off the lights" To help with understanding that perspective, I cannot imagine a scenario where I would ask a device connected to the internet to turn off the lights. I literally never wanted this. A physical switch is a 100% non negotiable for me. I feel the same way about non-mechanical car doors. Perhaps due to that outlook…

You don't watch Iron Man and want a JARVIS? Current systems are pretty far away from that, but that's the overall draw.

I don't watch superhero stuff. But even with a more classical example of Space Odyssey 2001 - a talking computer has never been something I found even remotely interesting. It took me months to give LLMs a serious try due to this.
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