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Post by The_President »

chasil wrote: post #93

I bought a cheap, used iPhone SE3 because I needed to Facetime relatives. I learned quickly that "Find My" was far superior in remote tracking of airtag-equivalents, and switched some of my convertible tags to their network. I flew out of O'Hare last month, and there were advertisements all over the airport announcing that Illinois id/drivers license import into Apple Wallet, so I did it, and that works. Supposedly,…

To add on... No ability to firewall their iOS devices leaves use of the network vulnerable. Siri and other unkillable daemons always running. My favorite is when the cpu fan "stopped working" on an old A1278 after an update. Turns out that was just a change in the fan profile so the machine would cook first before the fan would wheeze out a puff of effort.

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Post by dpkirchner »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #171
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #68

Any age verification should come with an OAUTH style government run API. The idea being you verify your ID with the government, and the service that required age verification gets back a true or false for does this user meet this age requirement. That way the amount of data shared is kept to a minimum. The UK, and Brazil who passed a similar law, 'cheated' by just forcing private companies to figure it out.

No, this is an absolutely terrible idea. You're suggesting a giant, centralized, government-run data silo, with all of your online activity tied to your real-world ID. This is far worse for privacy than any data broker, it's hard to even compare. Honestly I'd rather have private companies figure it out. Then at least you'll get multiple options, including from privacy-first companies. But that still sucks, and my pre…

Companies may get multiple options but you and I and Joe average are going to have to submit PII to several vendors chosen by someone else, exactly like the credit bureau system but without the regulations they have to follow.

The fact that the powers-that-be need to understand but choose not to is that what they want is literally impossible, even with mandatory government blood screenings to access computers. Anything short of requiring identification per POST is inadequate. This whole thing is a fools' errand and we must not give any ground.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

pixelpoet wrote: post #41
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

> Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now Are you sure you're not apologising for Apple?

Yes, I'm sure. Apple has taken a "walled garden" approach for a very long time now, and there are real, tangible benefits to this approach for end users. There are also real downsides, and if you wanted unfettered installation rights, Linux has existed for at least as long as Apple has limited software installation.

My point is that having both of these options is a good thing, as they both have pros and cons, so people can decide which of those pros and cons are most important to them, and then choose accordingly.

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Post by merlindru »

GeekyBear wrote: post #355
soapdog wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree. > 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered inst…

> Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. Notarisation is just proof that the app went through an automated malware scan. Windows, Mac, and Android have all adopted measures intended to warn and attempt to protect users from malware. As far as age v…

Notarised apps are still handled differently and made harder to run than apps from the AppStore

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Post by mayhemducks »

hedora wrote: post #74
mayhemducks wrote: post #57

Can we all just agree that cyber criminals suck? Especially if you are a legit developer who wants to offer useful apps to the world? Don't get me wrong, I can't stand surveillance, and I think age verification is virtue signaling and will have very little affect on actual cyber crime. We need a better way to stop online abuse. But certificates, GateKeeper, app certification, app stores etc. are all supposed to mitig…

The worst cybercriminals are allowed on the app store. Facebook and Google are two obvious examples. Even if avoid installing their apps, take a look at all the third-party data harvesting malware that iOS apps bundle. You'll find you have plenty of stuff installed from them, and even worse actors. Linux doesn't have any of this developer certification bullshit, and it has (almost) none of these issues.

How exactly are you turning my comment into defending Facebook and Google? If that's how it comes off then I believe it is being misinterpreted.

I would also argue that Linux does have it - at least in Ubuntu it does with snaps. And package maintainers do a lot of unseen, thankless work as well.

As a developer, I do not like having to deal with certificates. But the few times I have seen them prevent serious problems, I was glad they were there.

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Post by pram »

NoNoisle wrote: post #356
pram wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"locked down" is a vague, moving target. The criticisms of pre-OSX MacOS was that it was an operating system for little babies, and not serious tech enthusiasts and power users. Also they were too expensive, and you can build a PC that is 100000x more powerful for cheaper. This literally hasn't changed.

Uh where’s the cheaper MacBook neo that is 100000x more powerful?

it’s sarcasm

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Post by _the_inflator »

Emotionally and somewhat rationally I side with the author.

The sad story is, that I would rather go caveman mode than use MS Windows.

In other words: Apple’s complacency will be left unpunished since there has never been a worse situation for an alternative.

I see none. None at all.

Apple is the new Windows XP for me. It is as crappy as it gets, but compared to any alternative it still leads by a fair margin.

Apple before the glossy crap was the amount of boring beauty, I loved to work with on a daily basis. Decent visuals without any distractions.

Glossy suddenly put me over the edge and I am glad to get a discount for mainly using the devices as business machines.

Otherwise: luxurious rot.

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Post by kristianp »

richrichardsson wrote: post #405

This new age verification is such bullshit, I don't even live in the UK any more yet have to be subject to that bullshit because Apple (and a bunch of other companies) can't comprehend the concept that people might want to change which country they live in. Can't use my expired provisional license to confirm my age. Can't use my Croatian ID to confirm my age. Can't use a credit card, because I never have had nor do I…

Don't you have the concept of debit cards in your country? In mine, if you have a savings account and an atm card, that card can be used in any context that a credit card can be used.

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Post by daft_pink »

Henchman21 wrote: post #408
daft_pink wrote: post #343

In a world of mature systems and tangled dependencies, we’ve moved from an era of aspiration to an era of mtiigation. Choosing, whether it s a political candidate or an operating system or ecosystem is no longer a vote of confidence in something wonderful, but feels like a defensive maneuver to find the least worst option among a sea of downsides.

This is roughly the point where we should throw things out and begin again. We need to evolve. Again. Perhaps some sort of re-evolution.

Maybe, I feel that the simpler something is, the easier it is to be something awesome. For example, a TRMNL eink display, just takes a screenshot and puts it on an eink display, and it's awesome. It just does one thing really really well.

The moment you move to something that runs your TV, runs your smart speaker, is the phone in your pocket, is your computer, you end up with some really great features and unfortunately a series of trade offs.

I'm not sure that it means you should dump everything, but that you should try to make things simpler and decentralized.

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Post by GeekyBear »

merlindru wrote: post #414
GeekyBear wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. Notarisation is just proof that the app went through an automated malware scan. Windows, Mac, and Android have all adopted measures intended to warn and attempt to protect users from malware. As far as age v…

Notarised apps are still handled differently and made harder to run than apps from the AppStore

Just like Windows SmartScreen and now the new requirements for Android.
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