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Re: Student beauty and grades under in-person and remote teaching

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Post by jimbokun »

raincole wrote: post #73
aurareturn wrote: post #5

One thing I like about China's education system is the Gaokao entrance exams for universities. It doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, ugly, or beautiful. All it matters is how you score. It's as meritocratic as education can be.

Taiwan and Korea have even "fairer" systems. In China different provinces got different test problems. Especially students from Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin get completely different ones. In Taiwan/Korea everyone takes the exact same test. However I've never met anyone from these countries who have a high opinion of their systems. Personally I do think our standardized exams cause massive 'overfitting' issue (borrow…

The systems may not be held in high regard, but their education systems produce workers responsible for great innovation, productivity and economic growth.

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Post by olalonde »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #333
olalonde wrote: post #194

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It's not the office hours themselves that felt unfair, but the way some students got privileged hints about upcoming exams.

how often did you actually go to these hours? put another way, they showed up and asked questions and got info -- and you didn't. that's not privilege, that's effort

I'm not talking about getting more in-depth explanations or clarifications about class material, I'm talking about: "If I were you, I would really focus on that exercise on page 47 (wink wink). Also, just skip chapter 4 (wink wink)". This creates a scenario where a student with genuine subject mastery can actually be outscored by someone who simply got the hints.

To answer your question, I don't recall ever going to "office hours", as I was generally a top student with minimal effort and an autodidact, but I learned about it through friends. Having parents who are both professors also gave me a front-row seat to how common this was.

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Post by jjk166 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #319
jjk166 wrote: post #273

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And attractive girls social skills go away when classes move online but other students' don't?

It is because on zoom no one would participate in the in class discussions really. Everyone seemingly checking out. In class some people are seemingly compelled to engage.

But the boys still get better scores for being attractive. And the unattractive students don't do worse.

The simplest explanation is often the right one.

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alistairSH wrote: post #30
StefanBatory wrote: post #20

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That's fair, but... What's the alternative? Obviously someone's going to have better academic performance if you have tutors, there's no way around. Still, if you have good academic performance - you have it. American system feels more unfair when you're given points for extracurriculars like playing instruments or sports, like that's not going to hold poorer children even more (also how's that related to academic pe…

The university will argue that a well-rounded student body improves the experience for everybody. IE, a college that's 100% "nerds" won't be as good as college that's 80% "nerds", 10% "smart jocks", and 10% "band geeks" (or whatever other categories you want). I probably agree with that, but also acknowledge there's no good way to make that completely objective.

This just means US universities are for networking and partying as much as they are for learning.

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Post by jimbokun »

alistairSH wrote: post #101
bonoboTP wrote: post #83

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In Europe, university is treated as education for adults, not your entire life. Most universities are not campus resorts like in the US, but just buildings in the city itself, students live a normal life in the city, they rent a apartment or live in a dorm, take public transit to get to places, do sport at a sport place independent of the university, etc. You can live a well rounded life that way. The university is t…

Our oldest unis are generally "downtown" or similar - Harvard, Princeton, UVA (sort of - Charlottesville is a really small city), etc. Though most do still have their own dormitory housing, at least for underclassmen. The large campus-style uni is fairly recent creation - many came out of the land grant system during/after the Civil War. And even as newer unis have been created, they've followed that general design (…

All of those universities you mention still immerse students in the university setting round the clock, though.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Aurornis wrote: post #302
kapep wrote: post #215

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A data point, though my situation is not even about weight: I used to be skinny fat in my mid-twenties until mid-thirties - so basically still kind of slim but some belly fat and not much muscles. Kind of average, unremarkable. After a breakup I started being more active again, I went bouldering once a week and gradually got into shape and then really athletic after about 2 years when I started going twice a week. My…

> Before I felt mostly invisible but since then got approached in bars all the time, which rarely happened before. Physical attractiveness is extremely relevant in the context of cold approaches in a dating environment. I won’t disagree with you there. However getting approached at bars is very different than working with someone in an office setting or having your papers graded in a university setting.

Its pretty much all that matters when we reduced dating to a profile pic and a swipe. You don't get to show off confidence or hobbies or way of life 99% of the time. Just a few seconds and a picture. The rest comes later.

>getting approached at bars is very different than working with someone in an office setting or having your papers graded in a university setting.

I wonder if thats changed, too. School is probably similar, but there's an increasing notion of "don't shit where you eat" that makes office romance difficult. I'm sure people will notice, but they may not want to approach otherwise.

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Post by jimbokun »

keiferski wrote: post #26
StefanBatory wrote: post #20

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That's fair, but... What's the alternative? Obviously someone's going to have better academic performance if you have tutors, there's no way around. Still, if you have good academic performance - you have it. American system feels more unfair when you're given points for extracurriculars like playing instruments or sports, like that's not going to hold poorer children even more (also how's that related to academic pe…

Universities in the US and other countries are not the same, and comparing them is not really fruitful. US universities do care about extracurriculars and GPA and other things because they aren’t optimizing for raw academic performance, they’re optimizing for various other things like an interesting student body (that attracts donors, professors, and future students), real-world networks, and so on.

In other words an extra four years of day care before those students have to function independently as adults.

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Post by jimbokun »

nyeah wrote: post #51
StefanBatory wrote: post #20

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That's fair, but... What's the alternative? Obviously someone's going to have better academic performance if you have tutors, there's no way around. Still, if you have good academic performance - you have it. American system feels more unfair when you're given points for extracurriculars like playing instruments or sports, like that's not going to hold poorer children even more (also how's that related to academic pe…

One important thing is whether the tutoring is making better students, or just gaming the test.

Are those independent?

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Post by _345 »

nullandvoid wrote: post #277
CalRobert wrote: post #244

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Sounds like a body recomp- well done! Edit: no idea why downvoted but it refers to staying roughly the same weight while building muscle and reducing fat. And having tried it, it’s hard! I stand by my “well done”

If I were to guess I imagine the downvotes are due to the use of an upvote being preferred over (albeit it well intentioned) comments of "well done" in HN threads (in order to keep signal to noise ratio high)

I never understood that. The presence of simple comments loke "Nice!" or "I agree" are really rare anyways, and I don't find it difficult to scroll past them like I would with any other comment whose first few sentences I don't find salient
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