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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by greggoB »

leereeves wrote: post #349
verzali wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should have little sympathy for them, but ill thought out war will do nothing to improve things for those citizens. Far more likely the opposite.

This seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office Ali Larijani – Senior nation…

Listing a kill count doesn't amount to evidence that the war has been well thought out, it only tells us the US and Israel are good at assassinations.

It is clear the initial aim was to decapitate the leadership and expect capitulation of some form or another to follow. This obviously hasn't happened, and so the fallout grows by the day.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

yongjik wrote: post #244
big-and-small wrote: post #214

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Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

I don't know which country you're from, but in most countries, "our troops may get bombed if we join this war" is a very strong public argument against joining the war. Just look at Trump's latest attempt to enlist his "allies" into sending warships to the Strait of Hormuz, and what a resounding success it was.

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Post by upcoming-sesame »

GordonS wrote: post #295
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #236

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> those "proxies" are not "against" America or Israel - they exist solely as resistance groups that counter Israeli aggression, ethic cleansing, land theft etc. They explicitly call for the destruction of Israel.

Why would that be?

Religion extremism

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Post by cardanome »

leereeves wrote: post #349
verzali wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should have little sympathy for them, but ill thought out war will do nothing to improve things for those citizens. Far more likely the opposite.

This seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office Ali Larijani – Senior nation…

Many of these leaders decided to not hide underground but to become martyrs.

It is really not an accomplishment to murder someone in their own house when they have not been hiding.

Khamenei was already very old.

His security begged him to evacuate but he asked them if they can evacuate all Iranians. If they can't why should he get special treatment?

He knew he could serve his country best by becoming a martyr.

Meanwhile Israeli leader Netanyahu is so afraid to come out of his hole that people are wondering if he is still alive.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #227
big-and-small wrote: post #214

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Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

Not really. Because no one in Europe wants to bomb Iran into oblivion, if for no other reason but the fact that the Europeans (and Turkey) would face another massive refugee crisis. The only people wanting to continue this war are the U.S. and Israel (and maybe Saudi Arabia?) and even Trump is clearly looking for an off ramp. This is most likely a way for Iran to tell Europe to do what they can to end this otherwise…

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Post by cardanome »

UltraSane wrote: post #311
cardanome wrote: post #95

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Thousands, not tens of thousands. Which is bad enough so it seems silly to lie about this but whoever can make up the biggest number seems to favored by the Western narrative. And let us not act like the decades of sanction were not designed to do exactly this. Sanctions mean you create as much hardships as possible for the people in hope they topple their government. They nearly never work but here we are. > Contrar…

"Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. " This feels far too much like Iranian government propaganda to be plausible.

Mossad has literally admitted to that.

Let me even quote an Israeli newspaper:

> On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations.

> “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.” [...]

> Foreign actors had armed Iranians to help them fight against the regime’s forces being used to crack down on and oppress protesters, Channel 14’s Tamir Morag reported Tuesday. Iran’s foreign minister retweeted the report for his own agenda.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-883524

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Post by fidotron »

chasd00 wrote: post #385
fidotron wrote: post #37

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The whole point of that noise is to put NATO + Japanese military in the Straits of Hormuz so that Israel and the US can continue to attack Iran with impunity. Any effort by Iran to shut the Straits in response to further attacks will hit some "innocent" party and drag them into the conflict. It's basically bait for WW3, and luckily so far the EU particularly are not biting.

When was the last time the NATO navy do anything anyway? They’d just be sitting ducks and probably not even know which directions to point what pointless weapons they have.

Being sitting ducks is the point.

The underlying reason is too many people will readily believe that if someone died for something it means it's worth fighting for, and this has been abused by strategists for a very long time.

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Post by arbuge »

marcosdumay wrote: post #352
arbuge wrote: post #131

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They did however murder thousands of protesters in their own streets in January, and who knows how much more dissidents over the years. This one was just this week: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-execution-teen-wrestler-ja... So there's that.

And that gives US people the right to go there and murder a few thousand extra people?

What it gave the US was an added incentive to take down what is unarguably one of the world's most evil and dangerous regimes.

Would you attack the US because they "murdered" thousands of Germans to take down Hitler in WW2?

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Post by arbuge »

alchemism wrote: post #306
arbuge wrote: post #131

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They did however murder thousands of protesters in their own streets in January, and who knows how much more dissidents over the years. This one was just this week: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-execution-teen-wrestler-ja... So there's that.

How does that compare with putting hundreds of thousands of people into cages for arbitrary reasons, I wonder. Or depositing them in random countries to be killed because they are e.g. homosexual.

Breaking a country's immigration laws does come with consequences, yes, at least if the government is willing to enforce to said laws, as it should be. Previously we had governments that weren't.

If you have a problem with those laws and think our borders should be wide open, that's of course a different matter, and one you should take up with Congress, which makes the laws.

I think those laws should be changed by the way, to be much friendlier towards Hispanic immigrants. They share our cultural values and are easy for the US to assimilate in my opinion, so long as they're properly vetted for obvious criminal behavior, ability and motivation to work, etc.

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Post by arbuge »

pphysch wrote: post #217
arbuge wrote: post #131

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They did however murder thousands of protesters in their own streets in January, and who knows how much more dissidents over the years. This one was just this week: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-execution-teen-wrestler-ja... So there's that.

Allegedly, according to the same political factions that aggressively bombed Iran just weeks later.

No, not just according to those factions. From the same CBS News article:

> The U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency has recorded more than 7,000 killings, with the vast majority being protesters, while warning the toll could be far higher.

Neither CBS News nor this agency are friends of the factions you mention. Facts are stubborn things.

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