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Re: Chuck Norris has died

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Post by kelnos »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #224
ceejayoz wrote: post #218

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> That’s a really poor excuse to sign on to something that you disagree with. It's a pragmatic excuse. Not signing changes nothing; clear statements that it's bad law; avoid giving the assholes pushing it more likelihood of winning the next election.

A clear statement of it being a bad law is not signing it. Should he not do anything that would give assholes an excuse to argue with him? Am I suppose to be okay if he signed a law overturning “Brown vs Board of Education” because it would become law anyway? Was the fact that he signed off on executing a mentally retarded man because it would show he was “tough on crime” just him being “pragmatic”? https://jacobin.c…

> I don’t get to praise Chuck Norris because of his anti-racism stances but then dismiss his stances against non straight people.

Sure, but I think it's fair to praise people when they do good things, and criticize them for the bad that they do. That's true fir Chuck Norris, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama... anyone.

Totally agree, though, that it's bullshit to think that having positive views on some issues wipes away the bad.

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Post by riffraff »

kelnos wrote: post #401
pafje wrote: post #369

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As others have said, WTR is very well-known in France while most people have never heard of Seinfeld. Same with Dallas and The Dukes of Hazzard.

Assuming this sort of phenomenon extends further than France, this quite well explains many of the misconceptions Europeans have about the US. Thinking WTR, Dallas, or TDoH are representative of American culture is... hilarious. But I guess shows that hit the big American cultural stereotypes hard are maybe the ones that do better abroad?

I think Hazard didn't sound stereotype at all, like, nobody had a clue why the car was called General Lee, or what the confederate flag meant.

It was just a fun show. Magnum PI, Different Strokes, McGiver.. were just as popular.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

cthalupa wrote: post #409
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #384

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I gave an analogy earlier that if you have 10 friends and asked them where they wanted to eat dinner and six said let’s get Italian and the other 4 said “Let’s kill Ralph and eat him”, you still have a shitty friend group. If 40% of the country still supports everything that’s going on, that tells you a lot about this country. Especially seeing that because of the 2 Senators per state regardless of population, gerrym…

A surprising amount of people are single issue voters and will vote for and support someone that supports that single issue. They might not care at all about the entire rest of the issues at all as long as their single issue is fine, and a lot of those single issues, like guns, long predate maga or the tea party. I'm not saying that makes them good people, I'm just saying I don't think it's the same thing as maga. 2…

The Senate though also decided the cabinet and the Supreme Court. Thats the major issue - especially the Supreme Court.

To your other point, I’ve met some Bush/Romney type Republicans who hold their nose and voted for Trump because the Democrats did go to far on social issues and I say that as a Black guy.

When I was at BigTech in 2020 I thought all of the videos we had to watch on “micro aggressions”, continue announcements on “ally programs”, “Latinx” instead of Latino/Latina (that every single Latino person I spoke to thought was ridiculous), the “how do we feel” meetings about Floyd, and the kind of liberals I met when I flew out to Seattle and other west coast offices (I worked remotely the entire time) were just weird. Not to mention being chastised if you didn’t put your preferred pronouns under your name.

I was like can I just do my damn job?

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Post by kelnos »

saintfire wrote: post #210
ryandrake wrote: post #186

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Imagine having a lot of people you once admired and looked up to as role models, from actors all the way to even your parents, suddenly all within a decade or so take their masks off and reveal that they are actually villains.

Is it revelatory that human beings having a quality you admire aren't the ideal person you projected them to be? I'd reckon you'd be hard pressed to find a single person that matches every quality/belief you imagined them to have.

That's a little bit of a false dichotomy, though. I agree that it would be rare, even impossible, to find people who match every quality I imagined they had.

But some of those failings are forgivable, others are not.

Getting genuinely confused about pronouns sometimes: forgivable.

Being a loud, public MAGA homophobe transphobe: not forgivable.

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Post by karel-3d »

kelnos wrote: post #401
pafje wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, WTR is very well-known in France while most people have never heard of Seinfeld. Same with Dallas and The Dukes of Hazzard.

Assuming this sort of phenomenon extends further than France, this quite well explains many of the misconceptions Europeans have about the US. Thinking WTR, Dallas, or TDoH are representative of American culture is... hilarious. But I guess shows that hit the big American cultural stereotypes hard are maybe the ones that do better abroad?

From my memory from the 90s: Baywatch, X-Files, that speaking car one, Beverly Hills 90210, Ninja Turtles. Some dumb sitcom named Step by Step? edit: oh and ALF

Oh and Married with Children, but it was always very late night and I was not allowed to watch it.

And our teacher always played us ET on VHS. (and that dog playing basketball.)

that's america for me when I was a kid

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Post by jcmfernandes »

petcat wrote: post #86
MBCook wrote: post #70

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It was so funny how that whole thing happened. For the first time in over a decade he was suddenly relevant in a way. People remembered he existed, and they were playing off his tough guy image. And what did he do? Try and shut it down and start suing people. Stupid. It took him a couple of years to come around to it. If it wasn’t for those jokes would he be remembered anywhere as well? Or would he be a much more obs…

> would he be remembered anywhere as well? You underestimate how popular Walker, Texas Ranger was. It wasn't pulling ratings like Seinfeld, ER, or Friends, but it was a solid primetime staple for almost a decade. I never watched it myself, but the 50+ demo loved it.

It was super popular in Portugal.

Re: Chuck Norris has died

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Post by kelnos »

sys32768 wrote: post #24
bovermyer wrote: post #17

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He had some pretty awful views that he was pretty loud about, especially later in life. He also cheated on his wife at one point. However, so as not to speak (purely) ill of the dead, I will say that he was an accomplished martial artist with a prolific film career.

To be fair, you probably have some views some people think are pretty awful.

This is a tough thing. I do believe in moral relativism to a large extent, but I also think there are some things that are really just objectively morally and ethically "right" or "wrong".

Hating on LGBT folks and trying to restrict their rights is one of those things that is wrong no matter how you dice it. People who believe otherwise are wrong, full stop.

So it's not really so much about people thinking someone else's views are awful. It's about whether or not those views truly are awful. And I feel very safe in saying that if someone thinks my support of LGBT folks is pretty awful, they're in the wrong, not me. And I'm in the right to think their hateful views are awful.

(Yes, I realize how arrogant that sounds, but I have to stand by it.)

I think this is something that transcends politics or culture wars or anything like that. Having these sorts of hateful views are actively harmful to humanity's and society's future. That doesn't mean I think we should censor people (rampant censorship is also actively harmful to our future), but it does mean we need to somehow fix people and shift the culture toward one that lets people live how they want in cases like this where doing so doesn't actually hurt anyone else. I have no idea how to accomplish this, though.

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