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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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post #195

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Dehumanizing customers by making them talk to (or chat with) AI bots is OK and kinda cool. Dehumanizing [potential] employees by making them talk to (or chat with) AI bots is NOT OK and kinda sucks. Am I getting it right?

You've chosen to miss the power relationship completely.

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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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> but part of the point was to allow candidates to gauge their own abilities and not waste their time interviewing without a chance of being hired. In my experience this is the wrong game theory. Unemployed people can make job hunting their full time job, so a 20 minute take home doesn't select for "who delivers the highest quality solution in the least amount of time," it selects for "who is the richest applicant wh…

> After all they might be engaging in imposter syndrome, right? GP specifically stated that this was the point of the takehome though. If the person handing it out specifically warns you that struggling with it means you aren't a good fit then if you struggle with it that's not imposter syndrome - you aren't a good fit! Not dropping out at that point is just refusing to acknowledge reality and insisting on wasting ev…

> Not dropping out at that point is just refusing to acknowledge reality and insisting on wasting everyone's time.

Sure, but, there's nothing incentivizing the candidate to not waste time. At the very least, they can get free interview practice.

I get that that's very annoying when you're on the hiring side, but it's not all so bad in the end, you're getting paid for your time!

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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> but part of the point was to allow candidates to gauge their own abilities and not waste their time interviewing without a chance of being hired. In my experience this is the wrong game theory. Unemployed people can make job hunting their full time job, so a 20 minute take home doesn't select for "who delivers the highest quality solution in the least amount of time," it selects for "who is the richest applicant wh…

This will kind of happen anyway right? People who have really good jobs aren’t applying for jobs below them, so your applicant pool will always be people who are in an equal or worse position than your job. No one at, Anthropic, for example, is applying to a job at Geico.

I guess, I think there's too large of a pool of companies for anyone to really say what's a meaningfully "equal" or "worse" job. If Geico was opening a new machine learning division to do some really interesting work on the probably shitload of actuarial data they've built over the years, maybe someone from anthropic would be interested in that. Or maybe everyone gets laid off from anthropic because of an AI bubble burst, and now googlers are competing with anthropic people who are competing with walmart labs people, and each hiring team really has no way of knowing who's better than who based on resume alone because they've got fifty in the inbox with FAANG experience.

Also I know plenty of people in startup world who are phenomenal engineers that only have companies I've never heard of on their resumes - startups that for one reason or another simply didn't have a news-grabbing exit.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dehumanizing customers by making them talk to (or chat with) AI bots is OK and kinda cool. Dehumanizing [potential] employees by making them talk to (or chat with) AI bots is NOT OK and kinda sucks. Am I getting it right?

You've chosen to miss the power relationship completely.

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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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There are a number of similarities between applying for a job and looking for a partner (typically through online dating). In both cases, the process is impersonal, rife with rejection, and heartless. The best tactic is to avoid the formal process, whether it's applying via the company website, or swiping right on a profile. Instead use an inside source, an employee you know at the company you are interested in, or a…

In other words, don't look for dates/jobs online, let your friends set you up. They handle the social proof both ways.

This is the danger of treating everything in life as transactional. If you are an anonymous coworker, employee, student, neighbor, citizen you are bankrupting your social capital. At the same time, if you are only engaged with others out of self-interest, it can backfire spectacularly when you are found out. Live authentically, take a genuine interest in others, play matchmaker and let others play matchmaker for you.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Perfectly encapsulates the state of the job market. Interviewing is genuinely a hellscape at this point and I've experienced many interviews where there was a complete breakdown of etiquette/guidelines and good faith. One was so bad I had to write about it: https://ossama.is/writing/betrayed

I'm sorry you had such a bad interviewing experience. You asked for feedback in your blog post, and since your blog doesn't allow comments, I hope you won't mind my responding here. You wrote something that I think is untrue of most tech companies, so I'd like to discuss it: > [As I and a friend spoke], I realised something: Three technical interviews went well, I was feeling confident going into the behavioural inte…

> Here's what I think. If you have a public blog, it's fair game at an interview. If you write mostly about data science stuff but you apply for a software engineering job, you ought to be prepared to explain the contrast. Understand that, for most top firms, hiring good people and getting them to stick is hard. Most employers will want some assurance that you are serious about the position you're applying for. If you send signals that you might want some other position, be prepared to get asked about those signals.

Great! Let me trawl through all candidates' HN and social media comments, and ask why they spend more time talking about politics, movies, science fiction, than CRUD SW development. They need to justify it!

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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The electrical panel beeps an alarm constantly. Sent an email to the property management company. Guy comes over and presses a button to silence it for 24 hours. Rinse repeat for months on end. No method of escalation beyond the automatic replying inbox. I’m fine. twitch twitch Welcome to 21st century distopia!

Call your building's insurance company. That will get you a very precise response pronto because they're going to use this as an excuse not to pay out if anything should happen to the building.

How would a tenant identify the insurer?

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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There should be a unit of dystopia called Kafka, these days. Renting an apartment from a management company should be like 3-4 Kafkas. Go from there.

Yes oh my god. I'm trying to rent right now and the application has me doing this fucking approveshield bullshit where they request every document you've ever had and direct access to your bank account before they'll approve that I'm not a criminal or liar. Whatever happened to bank statements?! Why does some random company need to know that my closest grocery store is kroger and i went to miniso for my girlfriend bi…

This is just an artifact of the legal environment in many jurisdictions which makes it almost impossible to build new apartments (supply shortage) plus ridiculous tenant protection laws which make it nearly impossible to evict deadbeats.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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>The weak link is humans not recognizing that that doesn't mean there cannot be good Italian food in south Texas. A logical hurdle I don't see AI having any problem with. Like your argument mentions, the problem is with human brains, not AI. AI is already plainly miles ahead of most humans in understanding nuance. What will be inescapable though, is trying to be an Italian restaurant that can compete for customers in…

> AI is already plainly miles ahead of most humans in understanding nuance. That’s a fiery hot take, unless the words “understanding” and “nuance” are doing some concerningly heavy lifting. Either that or you have an incredibly low opinion of “most humans” that borders on misanthropy. > What will be inescapable though, is trying to be an Italian restaurant that can compete for customers in a south Texas environment w…

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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dehumanizing customers by making them talk to (or chat with) AI bots is OK and kinda cool. Dehumanizing [potential] employees by making them talk to (or chat with) AI bots is NOT OK and kinda sucks. Am I getting it right?

You've chosen to miss the power relationship completely.

I don't see how customers are less important than developers.
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