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Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by taint6969 »

kindkang2024 wrote: post #104
duskdozer wrote: post #77

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>Take Elon Musk — tremendous positive-sum deals with people everywhere, and all together, that's what got him to the top. Ah yes, "tremendous" positive-sum deals like: >Musk admitted to his biographer Ashlee Vance that Hyperloop was all about trying to get legislators to cancel plans for high-speed rail in California—even though he had no plans to build it. https://time.com/6203815/elon-musk-flaws-billionaire-visions…

> Hyperloop was all about trying to get legislators to cancel plans Sorry, I don't know the full story behind Hyperloop. But I really doubt he is trying to play a zero-sum or negative-sum game as the article hinted. Setting aside all the disputes — the deals he made with people are positive-sum. Nobody is forced to buy a Tesla, or invest in, or work for SpaceX. And in my personal view, all the article brings is decon…

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petcat wrote: post #308
drcongo wrote: post #298

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You do realise that surgeons don't wear those masks to stop them from catching something right?

> Some people thought that surgical masks wouldn’t stop you from getting Covid You do realize that masks would help prevent you from getting covid if other people are wearing the masks , right? The comment just talked about masks, not whether you are the one wearing the mask.

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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by palmotea »

rdevilla wrote: post #387
cardanome wrote: post #362

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The problem is that with generative AI, I have no means of protecting my work from being stolen. It does not matter what license I put up. It doesn't even matter if I make it publicly available or not. LLMs have been trained on pirated material, they don't even have the decency to buy a copy. Even if I show my project to no one and just have a private repo on Github the code might still be used to train LLMs. Your GP…

> a private repo on Github Delete your github repos and operate your own gitolite instance. Feed vibecode to GitHub so the LLMs coprophagically train on their own slop.

> Feed vibecode to GitHub so the LLMs coprophagically train on their own slop.

Someone needs to build an easy to run AI agent that does that automatically, maybe with strategically bad choices (like complex no-op tests, bad algorithms, introduction of security vulnerabilities described as fixing them). I'd run it. Maybe it could even star/interact with other slop repos, so low activity couldn't be used as a filter.

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Post by DickAndBalls »

YCpedohaven wrote: post #349
locallost wrote: post #156

Great advice if you want to be old and poor. Yes, there's a chance it works out because you're that good, but there's a chance it doesn't. This doesn't mean do the opposite and only worry about your returns, but strike a balance. The world we live in is not in general a bunch of isolated people in a meritocracy, connections and relationships within your workplace play a huge role. Politics exist. I know a lot of assh…

> Great advice if you want to be old and poor. A more conspiracy minded version of myself might suggest there’s an active attempt to break the politically active middle class. Subtle changes in messaging that have been happening over the past few years from business owners and politicians seem to suggest that the future will involve masses of poverty. Gone are the days of “hard work” and “meritocracy” and they have b…

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Post by darkwater »

mlrtime wrote: post #211
castral wrote: post #102

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Ah, well... TIL to not take anything geohot writes seriously in the future.

^Young readers: The mark of wisdom. Throw out all readings because you dislike one of them. I may do it too, but I don't think I'd actually ever write it down.

Well, reputation is made by many dimensions. Writing takes like the UBI one is definitely a signal to take into account.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mns wrote: post #237
peepee1982 wrote: post #174

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Did he struck a nerve? All I'm seeing here are attacks on his person rather than discussing his post, which is not even that controversial, just some common sense stuff.

As someone who actually used to IRC with him back in the day... (man... I'm starting to feel old lol) he's kind of arrogant in his demeanor. He embodies the true spirit of a hacker in the sense of "Hacker" as in Hacker News, but he gets under everyone's skin over the years. This eventually takes a toll on people, and it mounts up.

GeoHot could cure cancer, not put it in the blog post title, somewhere near the bottom, and all of HN would miss it and nobody would ever get the life saving treatment they could have gotten because of blind hatred.

As much as I disliked my interactions with him, I would rather always take someone on a per-event basis, I see his new blog post for what it is and go from there. If it's trash, its trash, otherwise, I'll acknowledge it.

I don't want HN to be another reddit where we blindly attack people.

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Post by Retr0id »

lelanthran wrote: post #355
JonChesterfield wrote: post #201

This is a trap for engineers. If you don't worry about the returns, you won't get any. There are circumstances where that is fine. Be sure you're in one of them first.

> If you don't worry about the returns, you won't get any. He was focusing on value, not returns. That being said, his take is still a dumb take - if you focus on creating value you may not capture any of that value for yourself. If you don't capture that value, someone else certainly will. The age of creating value for the public good is well and truly over - any value you create for the public good in the form of i…

> The age of creating value for the public good is well and truly over

It's not a zero sum game. Someone putting my open-source contributions (for example) in their dataset isn't subtracting value from me, or the rest of society.

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Post by lanfeust6 »

keiferski wrote: post #346
harimau777 wrote: post #336

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That still seems super naive, at least if its extended to software engineering. Companies already treat software engineers like disposable cogs to be burnt out and discarded. I don't see how AI will improve that.

I think if you’re legitimately providing value to the company, you aren’t disposable. If you are but still get canned, then you’re just dealing with irrational management, and that predates AI.

Only quibble that in some areas like the games industry, being disposable (qua susceptibility to layoffs) was closer to the status quo well before AI came around.
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