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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

verdverm wrote: post #389
jrm4 wrote: post #385

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Are you serious? Y'all are so confused about what this is. The entire point of services like Bluesky and Twitter is broadcasting your activity out to the internet for anyone to see (which of, course, is technically little-or-no different from "grab")

ATProto is not Bluesky, the later is just one app on the former. There are many more apps like Tangled, git on ATProto, which need private repositories. You seem rather confused. I do not work for Bluesky. I am an independent developer building completely separate applications on ATProto.

Fair, I'm aware and I am conflating what people do with Bluesky and what ATProto can do. I absolutely do see the value in ATProto doing things that aren't "social media"

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

lukev wrote: post #390
jrm4 wrote: post #157

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"Don't use it if you don't like it" is not a sufficient response here, because the gathering and verifying of personal data is NOT PURELY AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM. You might post about me. Etc. Proverbial Big Brother ALSO likes "strong identity and content verification."

"People should not be allowed to post publicly on the internet" is definitely a hot take.

No clue what that refers to, it's not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is -- we can observe that "don't post what you don't want posted" is an insufficient response to our current internet in terms of safety and publicity.

I'm also putting forth the idea that the ATProto thing for social media makes us marginally less safe, due to its technical "centralization via confirmation" of the data it "broadcasts."

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

morcus wrote: post #371
Klonoar wrote: post #256

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What makes you think a nation state level entity can't pursue in this case...?

It kinda of confuses me when use the term "nation state" instead of just "state". For example Canada is not a nation-state but surely they are powerful and important enough that they could also pursue this kind of case.

This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time now. It seems people just feel smarter using a fancy terms instead of "a state" or "a government".

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by verdverm »

jrm4 wrote: post #411
verdverm wrote: post #389

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ATProto is not Bluesky, the later is just one app on the former. There are many more apps like Tangled, git on ATProto, which need private repositories. You seem rather confused. I do not work for Bluesky. I am an independent developer building completely separate applications on ATProto.

Fair, I'm aware and I am conflating what people do with Bluesky and what ATProto can do. I absolutely do see the value in ATProto doing things that aren't "social media"

I hope the bluesky team can as well, as we work towards permissioned data support.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

jwe wrote: post #409
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #377

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> I also don't pretend the history I learned about WWII and the persecution of Jewish people was objective truth either. I'm not sure what you expect by spewing stuff like this apart from downvotes without comments.

Spewing stuff like what? Robert Maxwell, Ghislane Maxwell's father (a proud Zionist and Mossad agent) was the co-founder of McGraw Hill, the second largest textbook publishing company in the US. Are you trying to tell me a proud Zionist who is publishing textbooks is making it his priority to ensure they paint an objective picture of history in relationship to Israel? My textbooks (whether in High School or University) certainly didn't talk about the Sabbateans or Jacob Frank / Frankism - yet understanding their history is critical to anything approaching objectivity.

What I expect is for all narratives to be able to be questioned, and not for there to be one that is unquestionable. When narratives can't be questioned, it's a pretty good indicator that something is being lied about.

And you won't ever call me a liar either.

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Post by pcthrowaway »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #377
pcthrowaway wrote: post #364

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The response was to someone commenting the discourse on Bluesky was "off putting" so they went back to Twitter. I wasn't touching on freedom of speech, just the relative quality of speech in both platforms. As a centralized service operating in Canada and the EU though, I do believe Twitter is legally required to remove certain kinds of hate speech. The qualification for removal might be debatable (e.g. "the Austrian…

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This is a perfect example of when I think freedom of speech restrictions (such as laws criminalizing Holocaust denial) are a net positive.

My grandparents were holocaust survivors, so I know directly from them what they went through, and I know about my family members who were killed.

I have no sympathy for people who publicly spread lies and misinformation to deny or downplay the severity of any genocide.

Sorry not sorry.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #417
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #377

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This is a perfect example of when I think freedom of speech restrictions (such as laws criminalizing Holocaust denial) are a net positive. My grandparents were holocaust survivors, so I know directly from them what they went through, and I know about my family members who were killed. I have no sympathy for people who publicly spread lies and misinformation to deny or downplay the severity of any genocide. Sorry not…

> This is a perfect example of when I think freedom of speech restrictions (such as laws criminalizing Holocaust denial) are a net positive.

Of course you think that, because you don't want to have an objective conversation about the events that took place, you want a single narrative to prevail unquestioningly.

> My grandparents were holocaust survivors, so I know directly from them what they went through, and I know about my family members who were killed.

I'm sure they were. Just like I'm sure the number of survivors keeps increasing as the years go on. Wild how that happens.

> I have no sympathy for people who publicly spread lies and misinformation to deny or downplay the severity of any genocide.

Convenient when you can brush off what Israel is doing by claiming it's not a genocide.

> Sorry not sorry.

I typically don't expect pathological liars and pathological victims to be sorry about much.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by nout »

wolvoleo wrote: post #299
nout wrote: post #148

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Or if you want something actually better at the core, you can switch to nostr. It's quite easy to even implement your own client app for nostr (even more so with LLMs), so you can get the experience you want.

Yeah and nostr really is decentralised and doesn't even require providing an email address. The only thing I don't really like is the cryptobro vibe there. But technically it's really good.

Agreed, the community currently has quite a lot of bitcoiners, but other communities are there too - surfers, open source dev, artists, musicians. You need to look for who to follow though.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by AlienRobot »

jrm4 wrote: post #281
AlienRobot wrote: post #202

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What? You don't even need to understand how Mastodon works in depth to realize that sending a post to 500 different servers owned by completely different people in completely different jurisdictions is going to make it harder to delete later.

Sure -- but it also makes it harder to verify . That's my issue with Bluesky, perhaps I'm thinking like a lawyer. ATProto's most touted feature is also its biggest danger. A post on 2 servers thats hashed/verified (and perhaps admissible in court) might be more dangerous than many more rando Mastodon servers.

Not being able to trust the integrity of the data on the Mastodon network to the point it's not admissible in court is not a good thing for Mastodon. If this is really true, I'd say it's a completely failure of the most fundamental concepts of information technology.
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