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Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Well, > The new analysis for Carbon Brief shows that electricity generation from coal in India fell by 3.0% year-on-year (46 terawatt hours, TWh) and in China by 1.6% (90TWh). https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-coal-power-drops-in-chi...

At 1.6% per year, how long until China closes its last power station do you think?

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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There's a declaration that a 915 MW power-plant was removed from the grid, and moved to emergency status only. However, every other number in the piece is mentioned as some multiple of Wh's (GWh typically). That makes it very hard to tell what proportion of capacity was removed from the system as a proportion of the total generating capacity. I think the writer might have served us better with the use of some helpful…

AIUI it’s barely been operating for about a decade. Even before it closed (nearly a year ago; this is an old article), most days the eirgrid dashboard showed little or no coal in the mix.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Great to see, hopefully they can end turf burning too. (For those unaware it's basically where you take a wetland habitat that's also an amazing carbon store, cut it in to chunks, dry it out, and burn it for a very dirty heat source)

they should use that turf for insulation instead

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Highest[1] base electricity price in the EU, some of the worst conditions for solar generation, a war in Iran, and now they've closed the coal plant. Great. Guess I'll just go bankrupt. Edit: instead of downvoting my post, feel free to pay my electric bill, lol [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Moneypoint was barely operating for about the last decade, and was closed almost a year ago (this is an old article).

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Once they see the oil rising this week plans will be shut down till new notice.

This happened almost a year ago. Ireland has no normal oil generation capacity (ironically moneypoint has been retained as an emergency-only oil burning plant til 2030, but it would generally only be used in this capacity as an emergency measure when gas plants unexpectedly go down).

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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We're already ignoring them all for coal plants, why not?

Which to we ignore for coal? Cost to build a new plant? Cost to run? The decommissioning costs? (Yes we ignore the externalities, and no I don't think we should burn coal. My point is Nuclear has yet to pay its way anywhere in the world, without heavy heavy govt support - far exceeding that given to renewables) Some figures on running costs: Coal costs about £62 per MWh - (£31 for the coal and £31 for the CO2 premium…

>Which to we ignore for coal? Cost to build a new plant? Cost to run? The decommissioning costs? (Yes we ignore the externalities, and no I don't think we should burn coal. My point is Nuclear has yet to pay its way anywhere in the world, without heavy heavy govt support - far exceeding that given to renewables)

Yes, all three. Building a nuke plant without the additional concern for outcome that we put on nuke would be relatively inexpensive. It's just concrete, pumps, and a turbine. It's a ismilar level of complexity to a coal plant. Same with running cost, same with decommissioning costs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Fossil_Plant_coal_fly...

Suppose we designed, operated, and budgeted every coal plant to make accidents like this a statistical impossibility. Not very unlikely, that's not the standard we hold nuke to. An impossiblity. Imagine what that would cost.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Classic lie by omission. Or you're only reading right-wing media, in which case you can learn something and stop repeating this nonsense. In 2024 88% of new electricity in China came from renewables. https://www.eia.gov/international/analysis/country/chn They build new coal plants as a backup, or to replace existing older plants. But they're very clearly not using them more than they already were. They burn coal beca…

Unclear to me why you've been downvoted here. The data clearly shows that China is taking more serious action on this issue than any other developed or developing economy.

I didn't downvote (as the information is correct and relevant) but I flagged. Accusing others up front of lying, or of being motivated by various political outgroup boogeymen, is not on.

It's not greyed out for me, either.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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> The actual causes of electricity cost rises in Ireland being higher than Europe are Wrong comparison. Most of Europe has way too high electricity prices. It seems logical that ending the use of existing coal energy infrastructure puts upward pressure on prices. Coal is cheap, abundant, energy dense. Yes, burning coal causes lots of problems and I support ending it's use, but this is besides the point.

> Coal is cheap, abundant, energy dense. Coal is neither cheap nor abundant in Ireland.

Coal is cheap and abundant in the English Midlands, which explains much of the industrial revolution starting there.

Said collieries, which if put back into service, would be able to cheaply get coal to Ireland via barge at no great cost or latency.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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Yes, are China still building coal power stations? https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-why-china-is-still-bu...

Per your own source : 1. There are coordination issues that have caused them to overestimate the need for such plants, which have been running at low capacity. There have also been perverse incentives to build plants that weren't needed, in order to placate the relevant stakeholders. 2. Battery storage (including pumped hydro) is being pursued aggressively, specifically (among other things) to address the reliability…

Not sure how this refutes my rhetorical question whether China are building more coal power stations. Nothing disingenuous about giving an answer deliberately picked from a source favourable to the carbon scare mongerers. As for obnoxious, I replied in the manner the question was asked.

Re: Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)

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This. Fossil fuels are not cheap in Ireland, I think we only produce a small quantity of natural gas, everything else is imported. Ireland should be running towards renewables, we have no indigenous fossil fuels industry to lose and every watt we generate from renewables is money that stays in Ireland. We should be focused on reducing nimbyism and building out renewables.

does this renewable policy of wind farms etc also extend to the rain forest being cut down for balsawood? or the landfilles the massive chunks of fiberglass coated wings then get put into? I guess we need a new planet when we're done filling it with junk and have depleted all the rain forest etc

Like fossil fuels are somehow ecologically clean and don't cause massive deforestation themselves? Sure, renewables aren't a silver bullet and there's a real conversation to be had about proper disposal of turbine blades and PV cells, but it's pretty convenient how that same scrutiny never seems to get applied to fossil fuels.
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