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Post by locusofself »

zapzupnz wrote: post #381
locusofself wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. As a matter of fact I credit a lot of my career to being made fun of on IRC in the 1990s for running mIRC client for Windows, because you were not "leet" if you didn't run Linux or FreeBSD, which took my down a huge rabbit-hole of Linux and coding for many years, which is how I know anything in the first place. I'm in the tiny minority of people in big tech who didn't go to college. The bashing on MSFT has…

Ah, is that not going to college part why you're loathe to give up such a good gig? Surely by now your CV speaks for itself, although I suppose in Redmond, where else are you going to go.

It is, although considering my age (41), I would hope the college thing is not very important anymore. The only time in recent history that I've been ghosted after mentioning no degree (when asked) is ByteDance a few years back, and I don't think I'd want to work there anyways.

Google has offices in Kirkland. Amazon and Meta are big employers here, with Meta paying the best, but both of those companies have their own issues which are probably worse than just being made fun of ..

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by golddust-gecko »

natas wrote: post #383

I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her per…

This is 100% true.

You might wonder why, if businesses are the target, why not just make Windows a no-frills, solid base for the other offerings? Why slop it up?

The answer there is cultural. Windows needs a large team just to keep supporting it at scale. All those engineers and PMs need career paths, and shiny things with which to sway their managers into promoting them. The strong, experienced, leaders have largely left because they know this isn't a company priority. So you end up with B players promoting C players for slop.

Time goes on and the Bs become Cs, and so on.

So the dynamic is that something that isn't a priority doesn't merely slop evolving, it devolves. We're now several iterations into this process, which will accelerate due to AI.

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by pwillia7 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #360
quadruple wrote: post #42

What community is there to house around Microsoft Copilot? Seriously, why does Microsoft Copilot need a Discord Server? What do I talk about when I join the Microsoft Copilot server? What are we doing here?

The Discord server for Midjourney is said to be one its biggest use point, the source of its largest audience, and one of its biggest sales funnels. Even as other image models have grown more powerful/capable, Discord has been suggested (or blamed, depending on perspective) for keeping Midjourney one of the most popular ones. I would not be surprised if some PM at Microsoft heard about that and made it a box to check…

I mean it was the only way to use MidJourney when it released, which is why it's so popular and part of the midjourney community

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #334
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #226

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This is one of those things that's hard to understand without practical moderation experience. The presence of an insulting meme creates the idiots who spam it, and creates a larger category of people who deploy it to toxify what would otherwise be polite and respectful discussion. And low quality comments that get a couple laugh reacts, even if you can consistently remove them within the hour, are fully capable of p…

They could kill the meme by...not producing slop.

Could they? You'll note that the source article does not describe even a single example of Copilot, the product the discord server was dedicated to, producing slop.

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by locusofself »

jonfw wrote: post #379
locusofself wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. As a matter of fact I credit a lot of my career to being made fun of on IRC in the 1990s for running mIRC client for Windows, because you were not "leet" if you didn't run Linux or FreeBSD, which took my down a huge rabbit-hole of Linux and coding for many years, which is how I know anything in the first place. I'm in the tiny minority of people in big tech who didn't go to college. The bashing on MSFT has…

Rather than saying that microsoft bashing has ramped up, I'd say that it is getting closer to it's standard levels. Microsoft experience a sort of reputational resurgence in the tech world these past few years with some commitment to open source contribution and a really nice pivot towards linux and cloud. Their pivot to AI is much less popular!

The AI stuff and Windows 11 have been big drivers of bashing

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by tomaskafka »

Havoc wrote: post #40

Don’t they have better things to do? Maybe vibecode a taskbar that moves when you try to move away the mouse over it or perhaps a windows 12 installation procedure that requires a fecal sample and iris scan?

Psst, they already managed to turn the start menu into something that won’t load under one second if you don’t have 3 GB/s NVME drive, and for a while even didn’t respect Fitts law.

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by medi8r »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #397
x0x0 wrote: post #392

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I think they (and even Apple) are going to get a walloping from mostly ceding the education market to chromebooks. Kids are growing up using them.

It's interesting to me as well as an ex-microsofter who worked on surface devices. Leadership (at least below the VP level) knew they were getting killed by Chromebooks and tried a few times to get a low cost device (Surface Go 1/2 for example) that ran a slimmed down version of windows (Windows S?). It tries to be more like chrome OS (hard to mess up, easy to flatten and restore a fresh OS on) but kind of just throw…

I think Windows was a pretty good desktop environment circa. Windows 7. Hardware compatability and just working are huge. If they can get an independent M4 competitor from AMD etc. you would have a compelling reason to switch from Mac (for Joe Average user).

Step 1 get rid of adware

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by tomaskafka »

natas wrote: post #383

I recently had dinner in Bellevue with an individual who holds a relatively senior position within Microsoft’s executive leadership. During our conversation, she emphasized repeatedly that Microsoft does not primarily view its offerings as consumer products. According to her, the company’s leadership is strongly focused on B2B strategy, with revenue growth driven mainly by Azure, AI, and enterprise solutions. Her per…

I got the same info. Windows kernel is developed for B2B needs, if something might be useful to B2C, they might eventually get it, but they don’t affect the roadmap.

Re: “Microslop” filtered in the official Microsoft Copilot Discord server

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Post by ajxs »

ralferoo wrote: post #20

Hehe, this reminds me of 30 years ago when people used to stylise it as Micro$oft or creatively misspell it as Microshaft, etc. Even on the Amiga, there was the filesystem that could read PC format disks that was called MessyDos. It just seems like the next generation has discovered what an easy name it is to make puns from.

I actually still have one of these shirts in a box somewhere: https://www.kmfms.com

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Post by hulitu »

badocr wrote: post #266
lelanthran wrote: post #48

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Another oldie "If you play the Win98 CD backwards, it summons Satan. It's worse when you play it forwards - it installs Windows" Ah, good times... :-)

I have a "quotes.txt" from slashdot days with some MS jabs in it: > Last week, I left my 2 XP CDs on my dashboard in plain view. Someone broke into my car and left 2 more. > The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner. > A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine Juvenile some might say, but they st…

> > The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.

"The only Microsoft product that doesn't suck is the Microsoft vacuum cleaner."

That's what I remember. And true to this day.

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