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Do I understand this correctly: An algorithm, an ML model trained to predict next tokens to write meaningful text, is going to KILL actual humans by itself. So killing people is legal, Killing people by a random process is legal, A randomized algorithm deciding on who to kill is legal, And some of you think you are legally protected because they used the word “domestic”?

Is it possible the killing machine could hallucinate and kill some random, innocent person?

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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I am glad OpenAI stood up to do what's right and give the American people the ability to choose how AI is used for themselves rather than dictating it from their high horse. Edit: It looks like the terms are similar in OpenAI's deal in what they prohibit so it isn't clear why they are any better. We should be the ones dictating what is and isn't prohibited. Not Sam. We will have to wait for more news on what is actua…

Any government is allowed to choose to do whatever it wants however it wishes; in a republic: given what is legally determined by the three branches. Obviously. They can contract with whomever they want, make any deal with whomever they want.

This also means that they should adhere to a deal once it is signed. That's part of the law too. They shouldn't suddenly turn around and try to alter the deal, then retaliate against their deal partner when they say "that wasn't the deal". You can't just go and answer: "Pray we don't alter it further".

The government of a nation sets the example for others, and should be scrupulous in their dealings.

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I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue compe…

Why would you trust anything out of Sam's mouth? He's a sociopath. Is that lost on you?

The comment perfectly exemplifies the kind of person that would work at OpenAI. Government AI drones could be executing citizens in the streets but they’d still find some sort of cope why it’s not a problem. They’ll keep moving the goalposts as long as the money keeps coming.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue compe…

I won't trust a word coming from Sam Altman's mouth until I see official signed documents (which I won't).

You should’ve stopped at don’t trust a word out of his mouth.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

The ones who signed are not the same as the ones who didnt sign and continue to work there, Id guess?

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Did Sam Altman say that he wouldn't allow ChatGPT to be used for fully autonomous weapons? (Not quite the same as "human responsibility for use of force".) I don't want to overanalyze things but I also noticed his statement didn't say "our agreement specifically says chatgpt will never be used for fully autonomous weapons or domestic mass surveillance." It said something that kind of gestured towards that, but it did…

> you'll never find altman saying anything like "our agreement specifically says chatgpt will never be used for fully autonomous weapons" To be fair, Anthropic didn't say that either. Merely that autonomous weapons without a HITL aren't currently within Claude's capabilities; it isn't a moral stance so much as a pragmatic one. (The domestic surveillance point, on the other hand, is an ethical stance.)

> it isn't a moral stance so much as a pragmatic one

Agreed, the moral stance is saying no to DoJ and the US government

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Good ole Sammy has never lied

If your starting position is already that Sam Altman lies about everything that doesn't fit your preconceived positions, that doesn't seem like a very useful meaningful position to update.

Yes.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Why would you believe that? If that were the case what was the issue with Anthropic even about? You, and your colleagues, should resign.

You tell me why an employee would believe something convenient to them continuing to receive their paycheck

Life is more than a paycheck. We should raise the bar a little IMO. Turning down money for good reasons is not something extreme we should only expect from saints.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Not a group per se but I maintain an index of 'good' people in tech here, and their contraries - https://goodindex.org

Sam has -6/100? How does that work? If you can go into the negatives, how low can you get?

Nowhere is it stated that it is a score out of 100. It is a baseline of 0, good actions make it go up, bad actions make it go down.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

Makes sense.
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