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Post by gambiting »

rvnx wrote: post #409
nananana9 wrote: post #400

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Given that this is the one problem that neither scientists nor philosophers have made any progress on in 3000 years, we don't have the tools to begin tackling it and nobody is making serious attempts, it may very well be impossible.

We can't know if consciousness emerges but does it actually matter ? These entities, whoever they are, they act on our world, they are real, and more and more over time they will get independent from humans, eventually becoming different species that can self-replicate. For now they need legs and arms to interact with the physical world but I am certain that 100 years from now they will be an integral part of the soc…

>>These entities, whoever they are, they act on our world, they are real, and more and more over time they will get independent from humans, eventually becoming different species that can self-replicate.

See, I don't believe that for even one second. They are just very clever calculators, that's all. But they are also dumb like a brick most of the time. It's a pretend intelligence at best.

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Post by selridge »

keiferski wrote: post #237

Some random predictions about what AI image generation tools will do/are doing to art: 1. The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. The most successful artists are ones that craft a story around their life and art, and don't just create stuff and stop. This will become even more important. 2. Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exis…

I don’t know that this has to be the way. One thing that is really going to confound this very common idea that taste and quality and personal characteristics will win the day, is that you can use AI to represent all of these to other people.

It’s a huge practical problem to try and figure out authentic nature over the Internet. It’s already clear that people will pay for it, but it’s not at all clear that they will get it. If we imagine that the tools get better and more sophisticated than there is no reason whatsoever to assume that the tools won’t be deployed to give the impression that is needed to make money.

I don’t think any of the above survives if we allow for AI to be used as it is currently being used. It only survives if you pretend that ahead of us is some invisible gate past which this technology will not go.

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Post by selridge »

squidsoup wrote: post #335
avmich wrote: post #269

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I mostly disagree. > 1... The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. > 2... Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exist. It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) . Hyperbolizing a little, humans also only copy…

> It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) . Hyperbolizing a little, humans also only copy and mix - where do you think originality comes from? Granted, AI isn't at the level of humans yet, but they improve here. Every human being is unique, both biologically and experientially. Until an AI can feel and have a lived experience, it can not create art.

Will smith eating spaghetti is art, sorry.

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Post by selridge »

squidsoup wrote: post #349
adventured wrote: post #342

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There's nothing special about art re humans and it doesn't require feeling or lived experiences. That's an arbitrary wall you're putting up.

Demonstrably wrong. The most highly regarded AI artist today is Refik Adanol. His work was recently described by Jerry Saltz as a "glorified lava lamp".

Why should anyone care about either of those two people?

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

jacquesm wrote: post #21

What a great thing this didn't exist in the past. We likely wouldn't have had any of the amazing artworks that we have now. Imagine an AI generated Mona Lisa, Nightwatch or Sistine Chapel ceiling because prompting would have been so much cheaper than paying Leonardo, Rembrandt or Michelangelo... Now extrapolate to all other artforms. Sculpture seems safe, for now, but only barely so.

> Imagine an AI generated Mona Lisa

Let's give him 2015 tech instead. Imagine if he used Illustrator to create the Mona Lisa. Is that much better?

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Post by selridge »

KPGv2 wrote: post #372
avmich wrote: post #269

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I mostly disagree. > 1... The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. > 2... Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exist. It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) . Hyperbolizing a little, humans also only copy…

> When I watch a movie, I don't care about the artist's life. I care about character life, that's very different. The target audiences for art and film are not the same. The latter is far more pop culture. You can't apply them the same way, and the narrative of the artist has been extremely important for decades. People will watch slop movies. They don't pay $30K for slop art. They're paying that for historical impor…

Yeah, those people love authenticity. They pay a lot for authentic Modiglianis.

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Post by minimaxir »

deathanatos wrote: post #397
minimaxir wrote: post #123

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You can output to a plain background and use any number of tools to mask it.

The output from Nano Banana, even when it is ostensibly drawing "single color" shaded areas, is so jittery that it can be challenging to threshold it.

Nano Banana Pro is better at that type of thing, so I suspect Nano Banana 2 will be sufficient.

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Post by selridge »

screye wrote: post #314
keiferski wrote: post #237

Some random predictions about what AI image generation tools will do/are doing to art: 1. The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important. The most successful artists are ones that craft a story around their life and art, and don't just create stuff and stop. This will become even more important. 2. Originality matters more than ever. By design, these tools can only copy and mix things that already exis…

> The narrative/life of the artist becomes a lot more important We are 50 years into post-modernism. Can't imagine it can get any more important. I predict emergent design will be the next big thing. Czinger[1] is a great example of what it may look like. Rick Ruben-esque world, where the creator is more a guide. [1] Czinger uses stochastic optimization to converge to designs - https://www.czinger.com/iconic-design

God, thank you.

Finally, someone pointing out all of this is just people announcing what has been in play for half a century.

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Post by h4ch1 »

Wow it's capable of critiquing its' own output?

While the overall aesthetic matches the minimal white-stroke style and technical design you requested, and the provided step descriptions are included, please note that there are a few minor rendering artifacts in this specific generation:

The text on the banner entering the vault in step 8 is illegible.

There is a small typo in the caption for step 6 ("CONFLSCT" instead of "CONFLICT").

Despite these small imperfections, this layout should work well as a guide for your canvas implementation.

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Post by javier123454321 »

slumberlust wrote: post #386
javier123454321 wrote: post #370

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> It's like you assigning to humans divine capabilities :) I can't tell if you're being facetious. But being an embodied consciousness with the ability to create is as divine as it gets. We'd do well to remember.

Not understanding how consciousness is created doesn't make it divine. Do you think it's an impossible task or just one we need more time to figure out?

Being alive is divine. It doesn't matter if you understand it or not. It's a beautiful thing to have a consciousness in this world, and to have the ability to create, to love. It takes a huge intellectual effort to try to trick yourself out of believing something so intuitive as that.
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