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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

andix wrote: post #404
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Office may be hard to replace, Teams maybe even harder. It actually depends how you use it. If you use the shared online collaboration features (concurrent editing for example) it might be pretty hard since I do not know any other solution besides Google Workspace that can do that. And Excel standalone I think is the hardest to replace if you have lots of macros with business logic inside them. For Teams, as long a…

> IAM can stay MS The idea is to move critical parts away from US companies. The US shows hostility towards Europe, even threatened a military attack. So the goal is now to remove as much dependence as possible. To claim Microsoft is a company and doesn't have to follow US government order is naive. US government is now routinely breaking the law, if they threaten Europe with military action, they can also threaten M…

How does that matter? They said the same shit during the Nuremberg trials. You're encouraging bad behavior. You can't be submitting to illegal actions by rouge governments. You make everyone less safe when you do this.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

flopsamjetsam wrote: post #355
Mashimo wrote: post #15

I work in software development for Danish hospitals, and some regions already used OpenOffice, now libre office, for .. well over 15 years. At least in parts. We integrate with an API into libreoffice, and it more or less did not change in well over a decade. But sometimes libreoffice crashes and you can't figure out why. There are just no logs. It feels like a black box at times. But I don't think they will be switc…

> But I don't think they will be switching away from Teams as quickly. I'm interested to know why Teams is so sticky for the team. Are there not good replacements available? I've used it a little, but am by no means a power user.

It's buggy as hell. That's one thing. But they rolled teams out with office anti-competitively to lock orgs in and on that premise it should be abandoned. Market saturation by a company that is contributing to an authoritarian government by way of anti-competition needs to be black listed everywhere.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

I'm really glad Europe is making these changes. We have an authoritarian government that needs to go down in flames. The more pressure this puts on everyone to stop using centralized anti-competitive products the better off we all are.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

ilikerashers wrote: post #194
rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

Europe has just been catastrophically slow in developing anything related to it's own tech infrastructure. Its doesn't back itself. Given how poor it's responding to things like the Draghi report, I wouldn't anticipate success. Just more flailing around and working groups.

We will see. My guess is 5 to 10 years these anti-competitive regimes will collapse as more and more people move away from bad actors like our current administration.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

close04 wrote: post #406
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Office may be hard to replace, Teams maybe even harder. It actually depends how you use it. If you use the shared online collaboration features (concurrent editing for example) it might be pretty hard since I do not know any other solution besides Google Workspace that can do that. And Excel standalone I think is the hardest to replace if you have lots of macros with business logic inside them. For Teams, as long a…

> IAM can stay MS That's leaving the most critical component still with a US company. Doesn't fly if the goal is what the Danish agency is trying to achieve. > It actually depends how you use it. Obviously but the larger the company, the more ways to use it, and one of those ways will be a nightmare to tackle. You want one solution, not a patchwork. So the one that does everything gets picked. MS throws everything an…

> That's leaving the most critical component still with a US company. Doesn't fly if the goal is what the Danish agency is trying to achieve.

Yes, because it is very hard to replace. I said that you could move to Okta or something similar (in this or in another comment), but this requires you have pretty modern apps that can integrate with SAML/OAuth/OIDC.

And, even staying with MS for a few more years while you migrate IAM to something else is not as bad as having the full Office stack. You can't just yank out everything overnight - I mean you could, but you have to spend a ton of money to have a 1:1 solution from the get-go.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

themafia wrote: post #370
rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

> to a declining, unstable empire It's funny that we've wrapped the clock all the way around and people don't see Europe as the declining and unstable empires anymore. > less like stable infrastructure It's perfectly stable. The news makes a lot of money generating interesting in overstating this problem. The supreme court is designed for national stability. It is doing it's job. It just doesn't act _instantly_, and…

> The supreme court is designed for national stability.

lol my ass. We have a corrupt Adminstration with a corrupt Supreme Court. The only thing it's doing is making people less safe to enrich the people at the top. This kind of response is embarrassing.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by andix »

trinsic2 wrote: post #411
andix wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IAM can stay MS The idea is to move critical parts away from US companies. The US shows hostility towards Europe, even threatened a military attack. So the goal is now to remove as much dependence as possible. To claim Microsoft is a company and doesn't have to follow US government order is naive. US government is now routinely breaking the law, if they threaten Europe with military action, they can also threaten M…

How does that matter? They said the same shit during the Nuremberg trials. You're encouraging bad behavior. You can't be submitting to illegal actions by rouge governments. You make everyone less safe when you do this.

???

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

partiallypro wrote: post #321
rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

I don't know how to break this to you, but Europe itself has been the burning building for 20 years. I don't see that changing any time soon. The anti-US stuff is largely flailing, the US is better positioned than Europe for the next 20 years also. They struggle with investment, have almost no large companies left of any merit in tech, have political problems that are similar to the US's, and regulate themselves to d…

Wow there is some serious rep management going on here. Trump Adminstration getting scared their empire collapsing?

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by trinsic2 »

simonask wrote: post #237
kakacik wrote: post #190

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Europe as in EU can certainly use a bit more capitalism. Nothing brutal like US or China have where individuals are often crushed by system or situation with no help in sight, but Europe got lazy, complacent, used to over-generous unsustainable easy to abuse social system and generally living off debt to future generations. Self-serving massive bureaucracy and corruption. Companies like car makers are already being h…

Sweeping generalizations like just don’t really contribute anything worthwhile. You mention Switzerland as supposedly a counter-example, but the characterization also does not apply to the Scandinavian countries, Netherlands, several Baltic states, and to a certain degree countries like Poland. Is this actually just a criticism of French and German public governance, or Spanish, or Italian? If so, yes, I agree. They…

I think it's a rep management firm trying to slow the trump administrations collapse

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by buovjaga »

rbanffy wrote: post #398
buovjaga wrote: post #286

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LibreOffice release builds should offer to send a crash report. Ideally, you should then create a bug report referencing the crash report. Besides that, you can do your own build with debug symbols and get backtraces or debug the program. At The Document Foundation we are always interested in helping deployments. It is also nice to do writeups for our blog. Let me know, if your organisation needs help: ilmari.lauhaka…

> you should then create a bug report referencing the crash report Reducing friction would be nice here - I don't remember encountering the crash log screen, but if you could file a bug report right from that screen, that'd be perfect. A lot of information can be pre-collected at that stage - precise version, build, OS, architecture, processor type, etc. All that'd be left is the "What I was trying to do", my e-mail,…

> if you could file a bug report right from that screen, that'd be perfect

You can file a bug report from a crash report - it prefills all the relevant data. See an example crash report: https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/crash_details/bac2...

"Bug reports for libc.so.6:

File a bug for: Calc Writer Impress Chart Base"

Here is what the dialog says about bug reports: https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/master/svx/uiconfig/ui/cr...

> It'd be great if the Document Foundation helped distros to offer libreoffice-*-debug packages for this case

I believe most distros have this covered now, some by making use of debuginfod, which downloads symbols on demand: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debuginfod

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