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Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by bradleyjg »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #405
bradleyjg wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kavanaugh clearly isn’t in the same bucket. His votes go either way. I don’t recall seeing a single decision this administration where either Alito or Thomas wrote against a White House position. Not just in case opinions but even in an order. I don’t think we’ve seen a justice act as a stalking horse for the president in this way since Fortas.

Weren’t Sotomator and Jackson the same with Biden? Kagan is much more principled.

In major case, sure. But every last emergency petition? I don’t think so.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

ceejayoz wrote: post #219
loeg wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is relatively fast for an issue to move through the courts.

SCOTUS can move much quicker than this when they want to. And have fairly regularly to benefit this administration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_docket#Second_Trump_pre... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.G.G._v._Trump was vacated within days. "On Friday, March 14, 2025, Trump signed presidential proclamation 10903, invoking the Alien Enemies Act and asserting that Tren de Aragua, a criminal organization from…

That was on the emergency docket. This decision was the merits docket, which always takes much longer.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lhopki01 wrote: post #222
tfehring wrote: post #56

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I don’t see how constitutional changes would help. The constitution already creates separation of powers, limits on executive authority, and procedures for removing an unfit president or one who commits serious crimes. But these only matter to the extent that majorities of elected and appointed officials care, and today’s ruling notwithstanding, there’s no political will to enforce any of them. The plurality of Ameri…

I'm not sure why Americans are so certain that their system of separation of powers is the right one. Most countries don't separate the executive and legislative like that. The executive is whoever can command the support of the legislative. If you think about the US system it makes no sense. An executive can just ignore the rules created by the legislative by just not enforcing it and the only means to stop that is…

> As far as I can tell the US system is designed for gridlock.

At the federal level the US system was designed for gridlock on purpose, with the premise that something shouldn't be federal policy without widespread consensus, and without that consensus it should be left to the states.

The problem is really that many of the gridlock-inducing measures have been thwarted, e.g. delegation of rulemaking power from Congress to the executive and direct election of Senators to prevent state-representing Senators from voting down federal overreach. But those things weren't just there to induce gridlock, they were also the accountability measures, so without them you put corruption on rails and here we are.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

duped wrote: post #279
apexalpha wrote: post #136

It's odd to me that something as fundamental as 'can the President unilaterally impose tariffs on any country he wants anytime he wants' is apparently so ill defined in law that 9 justices can't agree on it.

The opinion should merely read > The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises (which it does, and expounds upon)

Yes but in practice they delegate this power to the executive. Congress doesn’t run the IRS themselves after all

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Post by jibal »

somenameforme wrote: post #332
coldpie wrote: post #153

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If whoever runs in 2028 does not have a concrete plan for investigating & prosecuting every single person who worked under this admin from top to bottom, they are wasting everyone's time. We need to see hundreds of life-in-prison sentences by the end of 2029.

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The DNC had nothing to do with it. Trump was convicted on 34 felony counts--that was the justice system working. He was then gifted complete freedom from consequences--that was the justice system not working.

There are other falsehoods in your comment as well.

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Post by ruszki »

bradleyjg wrote: post #340
mastax wrote: post #229

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It seems likely to me the ruling took this long because John Roberts wanted to get a more unanimous ruling. Additionally, the law in this case isn’t ill defined whatsoever. Alito, Thomas, and to a lesser extent Kavanaugh are just partisan hacks. For many years I wanted to believe they had a consistent and defensible legal viewpoint, even if I thought it was misguided. However the past six years have destroyed that no…

Kavanaugh clearly isn’t in the same bucket. His votes go either way. I don’t recall seeing a single decision this administration where either Alito or Thomas wrote against a White House position. Not just in case opinions but even in an order. I don’t think we’ve seen a justice act as a stalking horse for the president in this way since Fortas.

You need to be cautious with the notion of “his votes go either way”. In Hungary, where I’m from, and a Trump kinda guy rules for 16 years, judges vote either way… but they vote against the government only when it doesn’t really matter for the ruling party. Either the government wants a scapegoat anyway why they cannot do something, or just simply nobody cares or even see the consequences. Like the propaganda newspapers are struck down routinely… but they don’t care because nobody, who they really care about, see the consequences of those. So judges can say happily that they are independent, yet they are not at all.

This fake independence works so well, that most Hungarians lie themselves that judiciary is free.

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Post by warkdarrior »

BurningFrog wrote: post #294
uncletomscourt wrote: post #89

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You think at some point america would get sick of having a billionaire gang of thieves in charge. Trump just gave himself a $10 billion dollar slush fund from taxpayers. Who stopped him? No one. This amount of money will buy you one great den. Noem wants luxury jets from the taxpayer. So. Much. Winning.

America is pretty sick of both parties. Had the Democrats ran a half decent candidate, they could easily have won. But they're just not capable of doing that.

Right. So on one hand we have a gang of undisputable thieves (GOP), on the other hand we have honest but "not half decent" politicians (Dems). Tough choices all around!

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

latchkey wrote: post #210
fuzzfactor wrote: post #160

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It's not a legitimate tax. That's why it taxed the economy much worse than a legitimate President would do.

maybe i lean too much in one direction, but what is a "legitimate tax"? Once again, count on hn for the downvotes. Yep, those shall not speak of downvotes, or taxation.

Whatever society decides it is via a legal and consistent proccess?

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by butterbomb »

apawloski wrote: post #83

Great news for people who had to bend over backwards pretending this disruptive, nakedly corrupt behavior was "good, actually." But unfortunately, there are other channels for them to effectively do the same thing, as discussed in oral arguments. So still not a major win for American manufacturers or consumers, I fear.

> Great news for people who had to bend over backwards pretending this disruptive, nakedly corrupt behavior was "good, actually."

Actually they’re still doing it. I saw it not 2 minutes after seeing this post initially. The justifications for why they were “good, actually” has gotten increasingly vague though.

Re: Trump's global tariffs struck down by US Supreme Court

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #268
apexalpha wrote: post #136

It's odd to me that something as fundamental as 'can the President unilaterally impose tariffs on any country he wants anytime he wants' is apparently so ill defined in law that 9 justices can't agree on it.

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Did you actually read it? Seems unlikely. I agree with the majority but I think the dissent does make some ok points.
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