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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by GuB-42 »

rezonant wrote: post #232
reddalo wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the graphics are here to stay at least for a little while And that's the reason why I won't buy a new Mac. Tahoe and Liquid Glass are so horrible that they're going to lose customers because of those. They should realize what they did and just backtrack: it wouldn't be the first time they admit they made a mistake [1]. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/4/21246223/macbook-keyboard-...

Still waiting on admission that the magic mouse was a mistake though

The magic mouse have been there, almost unchanged, since 2009. That is a lot for a tech product, and retiring a product after 16 years is not admitting to a mistake. For example, the Logitech G5 mouse and its direct evolutions were among the most successful Logitech products, and it didn't last that long.

No, it is not just refusing to admit that the magic mouse was a mistake, it is considering that it is the best ever. That USB port on the underside is still one of the great mysteries though, maybe it is some quirk of evolution, because it is certainly not intelligent design.

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Post by c-hendricks »

heddhunter wrote: post #393
jihadjihad wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was a mistake for Apple to put some of the best QOL, not just accessibility , enhancements behind the Accessibility section of the Settings, rather than on the Trackpad settings. Three finger drag is a game changer, and a lot of my colleagues had no idea it existed.

The weird thing is that setting used to be in the trackpad settings! I have no idea why they moved it. It's one of the first things I enable on every device I use.

Probably due to the longstanding bugs with it. I still use it on all my laptops, but Finder in particular gets tripped up with what the drag state is when using it.

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Post by cubefox »

AlexandrB wrote: post #385
cubefox wrote: post #207

Microsoft Windows has a similar issue. I wonder why nobody is talking about that on HN.

The Windows UI has been a trashfire since Windows 8. I think the expectation that it sucks has been baked in at this point, though Windows 11 represents an increase in the slope of increasing suck.

Only Windows 11 had rounded windows though.

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Post by coldtea »

monegator wrote: post #376
coldtea wrote: post #360

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As a 20+ year heavy mac AND linux user, both are true. It doesn't get viruses, especially if you don't install random junk from warez sites and stick to MAS, brew, and a few trusted vendors. Even if you do install crap, it's trojans not viruses, which are more like the Yeti (something like that might exist, but few have seen it) than a problem mac users have. And things "just work" way way way way more than they do i…

The "they don't catch viruses" is a bold lie, but back then when i worked in tech sales the apple promoter wanted us to repeat the lie ad nasueam. They definetly catch malware and it's as easy as in any other platform (also because today the malware will likely be running in a headless chromium instance) I've had a macbook since 2010, and to me its software quality has been going downhill since snow leopard, today it…

>The "they don't catch viruses" is a bold lie, but back then when i worked in tech sales the apple promoter wanted us to repeat the lie ad nasueam. They definetly catch malware and it's as easy as in any other platform (also because today the malware will likely be running in a headless chromium instance)

Malware is not a virus. And it doesn't catch malware if you keep to trusted sources and keep on OS protective layers like SIP.

Install junk from warez sites and the like, and YOU installed something (still not a virus: a trojan). If you couldn't install it at all (also totally possible) you'd be crying how macOS restricts you.

In over 20 years of OS X use I've never had any virus, nor did anyone I know. Over 30 years of Windows I've had plenty.

>They definetly catch malware and it's as easy as in any other platform

If you install it, it's not a virus (and you can't avoid that in any OS, unless they lock you out of arbitrary program download and execution and only have you run in sandboxes).

Even so, you can very well install and not give it privileges, and then it can't even touch important directories. If you install it && enter your admin credentials to let it do whatever, it's on you.

>I've had a macbook since 2010, and to me its software quality has been going downhill since snow leopard, today it's completely unrecognizable.

It has, but that has nothing to do with now allowing viruses or even malware (in fact, regarding the latter, is more secure than it was in 2010 via multiple measures).

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Post by tambourine_man »

bigyabai wrote: post #398
tambourine_man wrote: post #291

How Apple allowed itself to get into this mess is a fascinating and not investigated enough question, IMO. Same for Intel. What is it that lets companies which are leaders in a particular field for decades suddenly unable to do the basics.

Intel's demise is fairly well-understood; their CPU designs were fine, but the DUV Intel-fabbed silicon was not. Their recalcitrance towards EULV nodes meant that they were never going to remain competitive for the market segment they appealed to. Apple's failure to improve the Mac seems pretty straightforward looking at their profit breakdowns. The Mac really is not ever their priority.

> but the DUV Intel-fabbed silicon was not.

Sure, but why? Why the company that was on the fab forefront for decades and participated in EUV research was reluctant to bet on it?

> Apple's failure to improve the Mac seems pretty straightforward looking at their profit breakdowns. The Mac really is not ever their priority.

iOS very much is and it's a disaster as well.

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Post by meffmadd »

pmdr wrote: post #364
1970-01-01 wrote: post #340

This is exactly the type of issue Steve Jobs would notice and then you're fired. The UI is the main event. If you can't get it right you don't work on it ever again.

Well Cook's Apple is mostly about money coming in, so as long as that's happening he's not obsessing over quality.

Here is what I don’t get tho: you have UX designers/engineers creating a new interface. What do you tell them? Just to do whatever? They probably spent months designing the new interface but why not fix this? They must have seen it is unusable…

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Post by layer8 »

robocat wrote: post #143
userbinator wrote: post #128

What astounds me the most about this whole thing is that the sort of hit testing involved here is a solved problem in UI, and has been for decades, yet there are still plenty of others here and elsewhere arguing about how it isn't. Even with those horrid rounded corners it's not hard, as shown in the article, which makes me wonder whether there is some internal fight between those who didn't want rounded corners (dev…

Mobile Safari has some horrific hit-testing for touches. There's plenty of places where touching near a control incorrectly snaps the tap to the control (sometimes with rather nasty usability consequences). Ideally there should be some way to control the tapzone within CSS. Last time I needed to fix the problem on a page I was responsible for it required adding an HTML element, which was far from ideal. I seem to rec…

> Ideally there should be some way to control the tapzone within CSS.

Please, no. Let’s not have every site react differently to how I tap a control. HTML/CSS/JS already delegate too many aspects to the application that should firmly belong in the realm of browser/OS.

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Post by layer8 »

alin23 wrote: post #266
rezonant wrote: post #234

It turns out the reason they reverted is likely regressions as noted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46999858

Damn, so this is the thing that caused all the floating windows to become unclickable and impossible to interact with... I'm the creator of the apps from https://lowtechguys.com/ and I was replying to 10-15 support emails per day, all week, because of this. It's a bit scary to see that the software we rely on every day is such a complex behemoth that even a seemingly small change can have so large repercussions. The…

It feels like Apple has gone deeper and deeper into tech debt over at least the past decade, to the point where I see little prospect of their software reaching former quality levels again.

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Post by system7rocks »

ryandrake wrote: post #394
doodpants wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opinionated design was great back when Apple's Human Interface Guidelines were based on concrete user testing and accessibility principles. The farther we get from the Steve Jobs era, the more their UI design is based on whatever they think looks pretty, with usability concerns taking a back seat.

It was good because it was both Opinionated (in other words, the path to write software that follows the design was easy, and the paths to write software that violated the design were hard), and also well-researched by human interface experts. Now what we appear to have is "someone's opinion" design. A bunch of artists decided their portfolios were a little light and they needed to get their paintbrushes out to do so…

I don't like to paint Apple as being completely incompetent (but damn have they been screwing stuff up), but I do think trying to solidify the experiences around a common codebase has become untenable. The idea is great thought - write one app that works on macOS, iPadOS, iPhoneOS, visionOS, etc. What a time saver that is for developers - but the problem is that screen sizes and interactions with those different platforms vary. Yes, resizing a window with your clunky finger needs a bit more wriggle room, while a pixel precise mouse or touchpad is a lot different.

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Post by array_key_first »

kgermino wrote: post #374
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #372

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UBlock origin will fix most of that problem.

But it creates other issues, especially for a non-techsavvy user

I've never seen a website break because of ublock, at least not in the default config. If it's that much of a problem you can just remote in on grandmas computer and disable it for whatever website.

I think that beats remoting in when granny inevitably gets scammed by an ad.

There really is no excuse in my mind for not running an ad blocker. It's as vital to personal computing security as firewalls and anti malware.

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