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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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debatem1 wrote: post #245
hactually wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just imagine what happens when lawmakers discover the possibilities of every one with access to a lathe or CNC machine. Absolutely ridiculous.

Every time I see one of these stories I wonder how many tools I would have to remove from my garage to make it impossible to build a primitive gun in there. With enough ingenuity I'm really not sure there would be anything left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Luty#Firearms_design

> one particular design, outlined in his book Expedient Homemade Firearms, is the best known. This design makes extensive use of easily procured materials such as folded sheet metal, bar stock, washers, and hex screws. It is a simple blowback-operated sub-machine gun and entirely made from craft-produced components, including the magazine and pistol grip. The major drawback of such designs is the lack of rifling in the barrel, which results in poor accuracy and limited range

This book was openly sold on Amazon 10 years ago. I still have one on my shelf.

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pjbk wrote: post #128
pjc50 wrote: post #33

This is insanely stupid stuff. Even the UK with our weird panic over Incredibly Specific Knives hasn't tried to do this kind of technical restriction to prevent people printing guns. Why not? Because nobody is printing guns! It's an infeasible solution to a non-problem! Someone should dig into who this is coming from and why. The answers are usually either (a) they got paid to do it by a company selling the tech, whi…

People print guns and gun parts. More than you think. Now even more since metal printing is starting to become affordable. I print grip and grip attachments for my 9mms and my AR15, trigger guards, barrel clamps, etc. I also find it stupid since, as the article suggests, what kind of algorithm can you implement to do smart detection of something that could be potentially dangerous? Will it also detect negative space?…

FCUs are not tracked in US (aside from full auto trigger groups, which however are classified as "machineguns" in their own right).

Receivers are tracked.

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Post by bsimpson »

thayne wrote: post #399
pjc50 wrote: post #33

This is insanely stupid stuff. Even the UK with our weird panic over Incredibly Specific Knives hasn't tried to do this kind of technical restriction to prevent people printing guns. Why not? Because nobody is printing guns! It's an infeasible solution to a non-problem! Someone should dig into who this is coming from and why. The answers are usually either (a) they got paid to do it by a company selling the tech, whi…

> who this is coming from and why I would suspect it is at least partly because the gun that killed the United Healthcare CEO was partly 3D printed.

In other words, the most famous murder/assassination in NY in modern memory.

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Post by bsimpson »

ActorNightly wrote: post #381
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #21

This will cause 3D printer usability to go down massively. A bit like the multicolored tracking dots - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots that causes the driver to tell you "you can't print black and white as you're out of yellow".

>buried in Part C is a provision requiring all 3D printers *sold or delivered in New York* to include “blocking technology”. I.e don't buy your printer in New York. Pick it up out of state. Problem solved. Yes, this is rent seeking, and yes New York is gonna New York, but not a big deal.

I would suspect flashing your firmware to the globally standard one would become commonplace if printers sold in NY came with a nerfed version.

On principle, yes, but also for maintenance. The nerfed firmware that's only required in a few jurisdictions is almost assuredly going to fall out-of-sync with mainline features.

"The rule saying you can't print the thing that you either weren't going to print, or you weren't going to let the rule tell you not to print, wants you to run old/broken software." No matter which side of that you fall on, you're upgrading the software.

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Post by bsimpson »

estimator7292 wrote: post #397
dylan604 wrote: post #23

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I was going to post a similar comment, and then decided against it. I realized I haven't used Windows as a daily driver in decades and thought maybe there was a new use for it that I was not familiar. Glad to see I wasn't the only one confused by it. Closest I could come was they were going to lock out the user, but that was Windows-L or something wasn't it?

Meta+L is the lock hotkey on all major operating systems!

???

Cmd+L is "go-to location bar" on Mac. Opt+L is ¬. Ctrl+L doesn't seem to do anything.

"Lock screen" is Cmd+Shift+Q.

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Post by int_19h »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #281
silver_silver wrote: post #127

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Not necessarily a lot less but I’m sure removing the aesthetic/cool factor reduces how often they’re carried

Maybe if the law required all knives to be pink they might be too embarrassed to murder someone. One problem then is the switch to acid attacks which are just clear liquids in containers.

It reminds me of a certain meme gun along these lines.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ATBGE/comments/b4d9gy/unicorn_rifle...

(Yes, it is a real gun and it shoots real 9mm bullets.)

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Post by int_19h »

bitwize wrote: post #152
AustinDev wrote: post #31

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They could attempt it, but the Second Amendment is quite clear that a constitutional amendment would be necessary to ban firearms and ammunition.

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At the moment, the most dangerous people with guns in US are the ones working for the federal government.

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ActorNightly wrote: post #386
tastyfreeze wrote: post #123

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A normal country? Like Iran that just slaughters or imprisons anybody that speaks or acts against the government. 2A is to stop that situation from ever happening. Is the government starts shooting we will shoot back. Before then we would prefer to resolve our grievances peacefully in court.

>. 2A is to stop that situation from ever happening. Is the government starts shooting we will shoot back The fact that ICE are still parading around on the street has put in a nail in the coffin that 2A is absolutely pointless. If anything, USA citizens deserve to have their guns taken away forcibly just because they could use them but didn't.

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Post by int_19h »

hoarseAAPL wrote: post #134
9x39 wrote: post #112

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>SCOTUS has ruled before that 2A does not afford freedom to own any kind of weapon. There are limits on explosives for example. This is largely machine guns and explosives. Pistols, rifles, etc are ordinary weapons in common use* *NYC authorities may not agree

https://ammo.com/research/list-of-banned-guns-and-ammo-by-st... Sawed off shotguns seems arbitrary and that was ultimately my (pre-coffee) point; government is fine with coming up with an arbitrary restriction when they want. They could outlaw the means of production. Gen pop is not allowed to own that.

There is, in fact, a good question wrt how much of NFA is actually constitutional. A funny thing about this is that ATF has dropped cases on several occasions where the defendant tried this angle, presumably because they didn't want something contrary to their current regulations as written to be overturned in court, and because they had plenty of other charges to throw at those guys anyway.
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