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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Bender wrote: post #95
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

> I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM

Sigh. The French raid statement makes no mention of CSAM.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

caminante wrote: post #122
Bender wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

It's broader and mentioned in the article: >French authorities opened their investigation after reports from a French lawmaker alleging that biased algorithms on X likely distorted the functioning of an automated data processing system. It expanded after Grok generated posts that allegedly denied the Holocaust, a crime in France, and spread sexually explicit deepfakes, the statement said.

Broader still.

and fraudulent data extraction by an organised group.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

lingrush4 wrote: post #170
lowkey_ wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The child abuse feels like a smaller problem compared to that risk. I think we can and should all agree that child sexual abuse is a much larger and more serious problem than political leanings. It's ironic as you're commenting about a social media platform, but I think it's frightening what social media has done to us with misinformation, vilification, and echo chambers, to think political leanings are worse than…

In fairness, AI-generated CSAM is nowhere near as evil as real CSAM. The reason why possession of CSAM was such a serious crime is because its creation used to necessitate the abuse of a child. It's pretty obvious the French are deliberately conflating the two to justify attacking a political dissident.

> The reason why possession of CSAM was such a serious crime is because its creation used to necessitate the abuse of a child.

Used to? Still does. A convincing fake is still only a fake.

> It's pretty obvious the French are deliberately conflating the two to justify attacking a political dissident.

Agreed. But the same conflation in the comments hereabouts is ... puzzling.

I mean, abuse of a photo == abuse of a child? Like, voodoo dolls? Creepy.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by anigbrowl »

chrisjj wrote: post #395
anigbrowl wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do have some physical records, but it would be mostly investigators producing a warrant and forcing staff to hand over administrative credentials to allow forensic data collection.

> forcing staff to hand over administrative credentials to allow forensic data collection. What, thinking HQ wouldn't cancel them?

I'm sure an intelligent person such as yourself can think of ways around that possibility.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by nemomarx »

darepublic wrote: post #414

I remember encountering questionable hentai material (by accident) back in the Twitter days. But back then twitter was a leftist darling

I think there's a difference between "user uploaded material isn't properly moderated" and "the sites own chatbot generates porn on request based on images of women who didn't agree to it", no?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Barrin92 »

chrisjj wrote: post #388
ChuckMcM wrote: post #355

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Sadly the media calls the lawful use of a warrant a 'raid' but that's another issue. The warrant will have detailed what it is they are looking for, French warrants (and legal system!) are quite a bit different than the US but in broad terms operate similarly. It suggests that an enforcement agency believes that there is evidence of a crime at the offices. As a former IT/operations guy I'd guess they want on-prem ser…

> I'd guess they want on-prem servers with things like email and shared storage For a net company in 2026? Fat chance.

Under GDPR if a company processes European user data they're obligated to make a "Record of Processing Activities" available on demand (umbrella term for a whole bunch of user-data / identity related stuff). They don't necessarily need to store them onsite but they need to be able to produce them. Saying you're an internet company doesn't mean you can just put the stuff on a server in the Caribbean and shrug when the regulators come knocking on your door

That's aside from the fact that they're a publicly traded company under obligation to keep a gazillion records anyway like in any other jurisdiction.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

anigbrowl wrote: post #415
chrisjj wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> forcing staff to hand over administrative credentials to allow forensic data collection. What, thinking HQ wouldn't cancel them?

I'm sure an intelligent person such as yourself can think of ways around that possibility.

Nope. But I'm sure a more intelligent person such as yourself can tell me! :)

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

Barrin92 wrote: post #418
chrisjj wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd guess they want on-prem servers with things like email and shared storage For a net company in 2026? Fat chance.

Under GDPR if a company processes European user data they're obligated to make a "Record of Processing Activities" available on demand (umbrella term for a whole bunch of user-data / identity related stuff). They don't necessarily need to store them onsite but they need to be able to produce them. Saying you're an internet company doesn't mean you can just put the stuff on a server in the Caribbean and shrug when the…

> They don't necessarily need to store them onsite but they need to be able to produce them.

... within 30 days, right? The longest "raid" in history.

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