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Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by dotancohen »

lrvick wrote: post #386
CalRobert wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you hit issues around things like 2fa, online banking?

All 2FA options that require a phone like TOTP can be done just as easily on a laptop with a yubikey or nitrokey. I have several business and personal bank accounts with two major banks. No Android or iOS needed. Sure they push you hard to use them, but just say it is against your unspecified religion. They cannot make you use Android or iOS.

In my country we actually do have a large religious community which eschews the smart phone. Therefore all services are available without one.

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Post by bdauvergne »

sam345 wrote: post #395
SilverElfin wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For consequences, we need to do away with the notion of qualified immunity. Why should police officers, politicians, agents of the government have any immunity for their actions? They should carry personal liability for breaking the law and violating others’ rights. Otherwise, there is no reason they’ll change. Right now, at best you’ll sue the government and get some money, but all you’re doing is punishing other ta…

This reflects an anarchist viewpoint or a trial lawyer's dream. Good luck having a government where everyone participating can be sued individually.

It's the norm in most western countries. Prosecution of administration official is still rare, but nothing like the obvious free permit to misbehave we see in the US.

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Post by DeathArrow »

jmward01 wrote: post #90

"and notify the user when such attempts are made to their device." We aren't going to remove the security state. We should make all attempts to, but it won't happen. What needs to happen is accountability. I should be able to turn off sharing personal information and if someone tries I should be notified and have recourse. This should also be retroactive. If I have turned off sharing and someone finds a technical loo…

>We aren't going to remove the security state.

We should make it impossible for the data to be obtained without express user agreement.

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Post by heraldgeezer »

themafia wrote: post #307
heraldgeezer wrote: post #243

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You people are so cynical. Its simply made for 911 calls. In the 2G era there was no compute space to just put in extra evil shit for fun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_resource_location_servic...

> In the 2G era [...] ...you could just listen to calls in the clear. Pager traffic was completely unencrypted as well.

GSM is encrypted.

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Post by DeathArrow »

I would like to think that I am pretty well informed about tech when compared with general public but I am clueless about all the ways user data can be obtained by someone else.

I bet that even the most well versed security researchers don't know it all.

The trivial examples like where users assume safety because they use HDD encryption and TLS but they run firmware they don't know about (like a whole parallel OS being ran by some CPUs) are just what is very visible.

In practice, we should assume that everything that is connected and everything we do online is unsafe.

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Post by DeathArrow »

hpdigidrifter wrote: post #376
lrvick wrote: post #368

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I turned off all cell carrier tracking 5 years ago. 100% of it. By canceling my cell phone subscription. I know I know, I must be amish, I have heard it all. But I run two tech companies, travel, have a family, and do most of the things most around here probably do other than doom scrolling. So much more time in my own head to think.

Pardon my skepticism but I find it hard to believe you can actually participate in western society without choosing to have a government mandated tracking device? Maybe you live somewhere this is possible but it's definitely not in the developed world

>Maybe you live somewhere this is possible but it's definitely not in the developed world

Since the whole world is covered by satellites, living in the undeveloped doesn't guarantee privacy.

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Post by retsl »

jojobas wrote: post #402
jeroenhd wrote: post #126

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I believe they're talking about this feature ( https://support.google.com/android/answer/9319337?sjid=18079... ). This is a system you can disable as a user, but it's not the on-modem feature discussed in the article.

How would the modem know your coordinates if the OS doesn't provide them?

> [...] The baseband implements other functionality such as Wi-Fi and GPS functionality [...] https://grapheneos.org/faq

It doesn't need to ask the OS, it can just get the coordinates and send them off.

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Post by butvacuum »

Spivak wrote: post #364
Ms-J wrote: post #330

More abuse done to us. We never agreed for our GPS coordinates to tag along with calls for some assholes to see exactly where we are. It is tiring. I am doing something about it by making technical contributions. If you are able to do the same, please do.

I mean we kinda did when we decided that emergency services calls would be special and give first responders the ability to find you. Wireless carriers are required to provide GPS quality (actually better than GPS) location data to EMS and this is how they built it. The only way to actually do this was develop a way to ask the phone because the tower isn't accurate enough. In the US it could have been more privacy pr…

911 is the only actual emergency number with regulations around it in the US. police and fire have _non_ emergency numbers that differ, my local hospitals will tell you to call 911; and gas, water, power, and other immediate risks to life safety are all 911 anyway (at least as the first call).

Sometimes it seems dumb, but as long as its an honest report I've never heard of anything more than an annoyed patrol officer. Felt stupid calling in an interstate sized sign hanging by a literal bolt-thread but the patrol shut down that lane.

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Post by dd8601fn »

jart wrote: post #263
jmward01 wrote: post #90

"and notify the user when such attempts are made to their device." We aren't going to remove the security state. We should make all attempts to, but it won't happen. What needs to happen is accountability. I should be able to turn off sharing personal information and if someone tries I should be notified and have recourse. This should also be retroactive. If I have turned off sharing and someone finds a technical loo…

Don't cheer that any policy be applied to technology you wouldn't want applied to your own brain. Imagine you get Neuralink and your best friend files for the right to be forgotten. Then poof. All your memories together gone.

Why? My memory is not a marketing database at Facebook, and I don't see any obligation to pretend it is.
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