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Post by volkercraig »

cortesoft wrote: post #306
volkercraig wrote: post #239

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You conversely get the same issue if you have no guardrails. Ie: Grok generating CP makes it completely unusable in a professional setting. I don't think this is a solvable problem.

Why does it having the ability to do something has mean it is ‘unusable’ in a professional setting? Is it generating CP when given benign prompts? Or is it misinterpreting normal prompts and generating CP? There are a LOT of tools that we use at work that could be used to do horrible things. A knife in a kitchen could be used to kill someone. The camera on our laptop could be used to take pictures of CP. You can writ…

Because corporate aint gonna approve the vendor that lets their dumbass employees generate child porn when the other vendors do not.

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Post by MaxPock »

smusamashah wrote: post #367
diblasio wrote: post #48

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Can we get past this please? These comments always derail the conversation on chinese AI models.

Wouldn't be surprised this is information warfare. Derailing technical conversations on Chinese models in 2026 with nonsensical comments is exactly what the US government and Closed AI labs would want .

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Post by cortesoft »

volkercraig wrote: post #411
cortesoft wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it having the ability to do something has mean it is ‘unusable’ in a professional setting? Is it generating CP when given benign prompts? Or is it misinterpreting normal prompts and generating CP? There are a LOT of tools that we use at work that could be used to do horrible things. A knife in a kitchen could be used to kill someone. The camera on our laptop could be used to take pictures of CP. You can writ…

Because corporate aint gonna approve the vendor that lets their dumbass employees generate child porn when the other vendors do not.

This still doesn’t make any sense. If they are worried a dumbass employee would generate CP using the tool, wouldn’t that same employee also download it from the web? Or use a web based tool to generate it?

Any employee that is going to use a corporate AI tool to generate CP is going to use other corporate tools to do worse things. There is no point in worrying about it.

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Post by MaxPock »

frankc wrote: post #42
throwaw12 wrote: post #2

Aghhh, I wished they release a model which outperforms Opus 4.5 in agentic coding in my earlier comments, seems I should wait more. But I am hopeful

One of the ways the chinese companies are keeping up is by training the models on the outputs of the American fronteir models. I'm not saying they don't innovate in other ways, but this is part of how they caught up quickly. However, it pretty much means they are always going to lag.

If that's how it is done, we'd have very many models from all manner of countries. I mean ,how difficult is distillation for India , Japan and EU ?

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Post by tehjoker »

diblasio wrote: post #48

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it's not significant watch the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU

this guy was harassing tanks as they were leaving. he harasses and climbs on the tank and is unharmed. eventually others drag him away.

you can see the tanks are leaving the square in a wider photo here: https://pc.blogspot.com/2012/06/tank-man.html

it is not clear to me if he is harassing the tanks because he disagreed with them or because he wanted them to go back. it seems no one has interviewed him or the soldier he talked to so we'll never know.

EDIT: I should note that one of US ally Israel's favorite tactics is to run over defenseless Palestinians with tanks and US made bulldozers. Well documented, with gruesome photos that will make you retch at a pink stain that used to be a person. They also ran over Rachel Corrie, a U.S. citizen peace protestor in 2003. Israeli soldiers celebrate this event by eating pancakes: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-so...

Anyway here is an image of our very own tank woman. Her last photo as she stares down an Israeli bulldozer with incredible courage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lastimages/comments/1bgt5ls/last_im...

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Post by DeathArrow »

spwa4 wrote: post #208
Flavius wrote: post #133

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Based on their own published benchmarks, it appears that this model is at least 6 months behind.

Strange how things evolve. When ChatGPT started it had about 2 years headstart over Google's best proprietary model, and more than 2 years ahead to open source models. Now they have to be lucky to be 6 months ahead to an open model with at most half the parameter count, trained on 1%-2% the hardware US models are trained on.

>Now they have to be lucky to be 6 months ahead to an open model with at most half the parameter count, trained on 1%-2% the hardware US models are trained on.

Maybe there's a limit in training and throwing more hardware at it does very little improvement?

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Post by sacha1bu »

Great to see reasoning taken seriously — Qwen3-Max-Thinking exposing explicit reasoning steps and scoring 100% on tough benchmarks is a big deal for complex problem solving. Looking forward to seeing how this changes real-world coding and logic tasks.

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Post by imrebuild »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #268
behnamoh wrote: post #97

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So the only way to run it is by using Qwen's API? No thanks. At least with Kimi and GLM, I can use Fireworks/whatever to avoid sending data to China.

When I looked earlier, Qwen claims to have DCs in Singapore and (I think?) the US but now I can't seem to find where I saw that. Whether that means anything, I dunno.

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Post by Barrin92 »

criddell wrote: post #333
waffleiron wrote: post #322

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Why is it not that interesting? Especially when you see big tech align themselves with whomever is in power at the time? To me as a non American, it’s an absolute cope to argue that its okay when its not due to law when the effect is the same. It’s like someone in China arguing the censorship isn’t interesting because you and download the non-guardrailed weights. Both absolutely post-hoc justifications why one type o…

I see a huge difference between a bookstore choosing to not stock 1984 by George Orwell and the government prohibiting that book from being sold by anybody or openly discussed. Neither situation is good, but one is way, way worse than the other.

the one that's worse is the first one though, because it's significantly more sophisticated in its manipulation. A society in which censorship is so pervasive that it has been baked into the commercial or moral infrastructure is significantly more asinine than a government that literally just makes a list of things that you can't read, because at least I can look at the list and know what's off limits.

There's a hilarious moment with Noam Chomsky where an interviewer asks him. "Do you think I'm a US propagandist, that I don't believe what I say?" And Chomsky replies "no I think you believe what you claim to believe, it's just that if you didn't you wouldn't sit here to ask me the question". That is far more sinister than any ban could ever be because the censorship has already become implicit without even an order.

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