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Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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>Maybe we shouldn't be turning corns into cows Why? We like beef. I don't want it to go away.

Because corn fed beef isn't as flavorful as grass fed beef. (Or healthy for the cattle)

Subjective....

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Solution is to prosecute private monopolies out of existence, by enforcing the Robinson-Patman Act and the Sherman Act.

Ok who defines monopoly? I know there is a textbook definition, but it's still somewhat subjective. Also the US won't do this if it creates a international competitive disadvantage.

The FTC defines monopoly, the courts define monopoly when private litigants bring monopolization cases and via precedent, and Congress defines monopoly via lawmaking. Of course it's subjective, everything is subjective when it comes to the law. The US needs to do it if it wants to maintain its status as a world power instead of becoming a banana republic where the law is a joke.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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> It's just shocking to me how certain demographics are so eager to vote against their own interests. Something that's been made very clear over the last few election cycles is that a lot of voters will go against their own interests, as long as it hurts their perceived "enemy" more than themselves.

But only one side does this?

To the extent that it defines their entire belief system? Yes, only one side does this.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Dang. What are the good options here (without throwing people under the bus)? IMHO, the patents on seeds has been an immense pain to the midwest and should be made void with a phase out plan that starts with the most common seeds (which are causing legal havoc by mixing into neighboring farms via wind).

Which patents in particular are you concerned about?

I'm not a farmer myself- I just live in the midwest and hear small farmers complain about it all the time. There's a constant threat of legal action they feel about these seeds with patents making it into their fields, and they have no real capital to fight even frivolous patent lawsuits.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Democrats couldn't fix a single thing while in power and have now lost to Trump twice, you need to stop enabling these absolute losers. Look at the people they keep running! They have no spine and will crumble at the slightest push back. It's all "Aw shucks the parliamentarian said we couldn't" bullshit. They see politics as a cash generating mechanism for consultants, not a means for improving the country. I'm so ti…

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Sure dude go donate to Chuck Schumer

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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Europe has a very robust, high quality and cheap food system. Food is extremely high quality, environment is managed and wealth is distributed with support for small farmers. High quality food is a fraction in Europe of what you pay in the US. There is additional cost to taxpayers of Europe but US taxpayers are paying a ton for the US system too but just getting worse outcomes. This can be done.

I've lived in Sweden, Germany, and the United States. Just being honest about my experience here, but the cheap stuff (like potatoes) are cheaper in the EU but the expensive stuff (like beef[0]) are more expensive. [0] https://www.globalproductprices.com/rankings/beef_price/

When you take quality into account it’s no contest. You literally can’t buy American beef in the EU because it is so contaminated with hormones and antibiotics.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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As a brown American who has to carry passport the moment I step outside my house and hope that ICE goons give me the opportunity to show it if detained, I am all ears to hear about your experiences with racism toward white cis males.

First, I'm sorry you have to do that, it's not right. You blame your skin color for other problems, conflation.

I am not blaming my skin color on anything. I am blaming ICE for using my skin color to violate my rights.

ICE is literally using skin color to determine who to stop and detain. The last time I checked they had detained more than 200 US Citizens and all of them were POCs. MPD police chief also shared similar incidences even involving his police officers. And there is literally nobody in this administration doing anything to stop it. Even Kavanaugh is on it.

Compared to this, what racism do you face?

Edit: Not sure if you read this but this is a recent story: https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/ice-elderly-hmong-ame.... Do you and your relatives support this? If not, why aren't you protesting for your fellow countrymen rather than playing a victim?

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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What specific actions would you like elected dems to do that you aren't currently seeing?

Stop demonizing rural people as flyover moo cows and start speaking to them along class lines.

Who are the dems who have done this?

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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The Republican party has a well polished message assigning blame to anyone else: gays, Muslims, illegal immigrants, trans people, feminists, government employees, etc etc etc. If only they can put those people in their places, prosperity will rain down on the proper Americans. As it did in the 1950s when those people didn't exist. It works. And it will keep working.

I think a lot of it comes down to the rural/urban divide, in a rural setting there's a lot less convinence, fewer services. A need to be more self suficcient. While urban settings have many amenities and services, they also tend to be hotspots for mental illness, crime, lack of housing for those who don't or can't make enough money to afford increasing rent and food costs, it's harder to police (more resources needed…

Perhaps a need to be self sufficient in a subset of possible ways. My criticism is they are self sufficient in the highly visible ways that indicate identity and matter to that individual. When we consider ways that impact other humans, the full picture is revealed.

Re: Significant US farm losses persist, despite federal assistance

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I am not a US citizen, just an observer. What is the alternative when the Democrats appear just as much beholden to corporate finance, and position themselves as the party for city dwellers? I also disagree on the wealth redistribution. Government agencies are managers of risk. * Is there a risk to the country's food security if farmers go bust on mass? Then the Government needs to mitigate that risk. Fairly simple.…

Voting for Democrats is the alternative. If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power. Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense.

  > If the Republicans get voted out and become powerless, they (or the successor party) will have to be better to regain power.
has this been the trend over the last 40 years after getting the boot in 1992, 2008 and 2020?

the trend is that they become increasingly bold and activist to the point of conspiracy theories being mainstream (death-panels, vaccine chips, birthers, qanon etc etc)

and the other issue that remains is that when dems take over again, they mostly carry on with the republican predecessor's (de-regulation, welfare/healthcare cuts, iraq/afganistan, tarrifs, foreign relations etc) policies with a better and more polished look... then voters who expected better get fed up and bail and the seesaw rocks the other way again.

  > Anything else is some accelerationist nonsense.
i don't know, we are already quite accelerated at the moment no?
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