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Post by kamyarg »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #198
prmoustache wrote: post #174

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> Companies absolutely will offer ad-free experiences. Google has youtube premium, which even compensates creators with half your sub as well. Evenly distributed too. Youtube premium is not ad-free, you still gets whatever ads are embedded in the actual content.

YT premium comes with their own version of sponsor block, but you manually have to hit the skip button. But I don't hold youtube accountable for what creators decide to put in their videos. I would grind my axe with the creator instead, it's their video and their choice. Youtube gets no cut from those segments.

This has been a life saver:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sponsorblock/

Crowd sourced in-video sponsor auto skip, I have been contributing to it myself as the UX is great.

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bflesch wrote: post #53
dsr_ wrote: post #19

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Counter example: Kagi.

Kagi has recently moved to new offices in Belgrade. While I like their product we should not forget that serbia is not a free country, there has been massive corruption and russian influence. Even though there are massive protests from time to time, no leadership change has happened. I don't think the Kagi team has any bad intentions, and most likely they have attended the anti-Vucic protests as well. Moving back to…

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Post by Reubend »

pessimizer wrote: post #326
mmaunder wrote: post #218

I’m fascinated at how out of touch that NYT article is. It’s as if it was written by someone who just spent 3 years on the moon. “The next big thing will be agents: The models will fill digital shopping baskets and take care of online bills. They will act for you.” Golly Mr two times Pulitzer nominee, do tell us more! There is a kind of liberal arts elite that seems to not be using AI very much and not be buying any…

I have no idea why so many people think that an argument that AI works is the same thing as an argument that AI will be profitable. The better AI gets, the better the training techniques get, and the better the algorithms get will result in fewer processors needed to run something of use. All of the advances will end up in the public domain if not immediately after or before they are even implemented, soon after. The…

> I have no idea why so many people think that an argument that AI works is the same thing as an argument that AI will be profitable.

The fact that it works well for expensive categories of output (like software engineering, legal strategy, etc...) makes it difficult to imagine that it won't be profitable. You could still make an argument that the investments being made today are disproportionate, or that intense competition will stifle margins, but it's creating enough value to capture plenty of money.

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Post by kamyarg »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #257
jamesgill wrote: post #247

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Why not mow a lawn with a sledgehammer? It removed grass that was overgrown. And it was cheaper than a lawnmower.

Your analogy doesn't work. This patient saw 6 doctors over 2 years and they all misdiagnosed them. They were taking incredibly strong medication for the wrong diagnosis. GPT3 in 30 seconds gave 10 diagnosis and a doctor looked up the ones they didn't know. Saw one that fit, did the confirmation test, and the patient got the surgery needed. Cheaper and better.

Any chance you can link to the reference I can read further about this?

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Post by thrwaway55 »

sdenton4 wrote: post #248
gruez wrote: post #241

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>Maybe Henry Ford was on to something when he shocked the world by paying his employees enough to afford the product they were making (more than doubling many workers' wages)... That's a nice story to tell, but the economics never works out if you do the math. Whatever extra wages you pay, you only get a fraction of that back in increased sales. How much percent of a worker's income do you think is spent on a car? As…

It's a collective action problem. If everyone pays higher wages, there's a greater supply of money for buying stuff / solving problems (assuming the higher wages aren't eaten by rents). No individual form recoups all of the higher wages they pay their workers, obviously, but there's a larger market for the goods of everyone has more money.

Is there? Covid stimulus would say there isn't. Granted a company raising wages doesn't print money out of air like the Fed but the amount of goods doesn't change, the cost of the goods adjusts to the monetary supply. You now pay more for the same.

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Post by beeboop0 »

yeah but any service that shittifies will get upstaged by services that don't (cough cough: Deepseek)

I need unskewed answers more than I need technical prowness, because technical expertise is going towards commodity availability. i like chat GPT but I'm gone the second they put ads into my development workflow. Bye!

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Post by FridgeSeal »

sooheon wrote: post #147
cyanydeez wrote: post #136

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Rent seeking is all Capitalism is about. They call it a moat.

This is misuse of language. Rent seeking is anti-competitive by definition. The current system, as far as it encourages and rewards rent seeking, is anti-capitalist.

Getting into a position where you can tilt the playing field exclusively in your benefit is 100% the logical outcome of for-profit companies in capitalism.

It’s so transparently and frequently stated outright, that building companies geared around achieving that has become the norm: it is the fundamental business-model of _every_ _single_ unicorn startup, or the company that buys them. Launch, squeeze out competitors by relying on VC money, capture the market, and become the sole dominant force in that market and use your position to then pull up the ladder behind you and cement your position. Uber and Facebook are prime examples of this.

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Post by blharr »

gruez wrote: post #241
csense wrote: post #209

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Advertising spend being too high is a symptom of a supply glut. Too many products in the marketplace, not enough consumers to buy them. In a different world where there are higher wages, more people would have more spending power. Then companies wouldn't have to spend as many dollars on advertising, which they could split between higher wages, higher margins and lower prices. Alas, the short-term single-firm directio…

>Maybe Henry Ford was on to something when he shocked the world by paying his employees enough to afford the product they were making (more than doubling many workers' wages)... That's a nice story to tell, but the economics never works out if you do the math. Whatever extra wages you pay, you only get a fraction of that back in increased sales. How much percent of a worker's income do you think is spent on a car? As…

Obviously this would never work with a single employer. But I think the point is moreso that if every employer, in an altruistic sense, decided to pay their employees enough to afford more purchasing power, the entire market would grow faster

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Post by morgoo »

csense wrote: post #209
bearjaws wrote: post #62

There is something to be said about the state of advertising. Increasingly it seems you must go to the almighty Google or Meta in order to launch any business. We're looking to expand into a new business line and have out grown our pharmacy capacity. The new business line will cost about $2M in software dev, and $3M for the new facility. The advertising budget? $40,000,000 (annual). We can build 10 robotic pharmacies…

Advertising spend being too high is a symptom of a supply glut. Too many products in the marketplace, not enough consumers to buy them. In a different world where there are higher wages, more people would have more spending power. Then companies wouldn't have to spend as many dollars on advertising, which they could split between higher wages, higher margins and lower prices. Alas, the short-term single-firm directio…

I'm just going to add a recommendation for the book 'Technofeudalism' by Yanis Varoufakis. The short version is that the current cloud economy is similar to serfs working under a feudal lord.

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Post by dexterdog »

smt88 wrote: post #182
dexterdog wrote: post #148

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Well, both are 100 pct in the pocket so the only possible answer is a third entity which is highly unlikely.

Biden appointed Lina Khan. "Both parties are the same" is lazy and unhelpful.

Saying that I said both parties are the same is far lazier.
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