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...your argument is that H-tler wasn't actually that bad, he had a clear and ethical mandate but went about fulfilling it in the wrong ways? SMH.
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> the idea of deporting people who have no legal status in this country is immediately branded Nazi Because that idea consists of harming someone over their birth circumstances, rather than any objective harm they may have done.
People who are in the country illegally undermine the rule of law and make people feel unheard leaving people to elect demagogues like trump. I predicted exactly this outcome with the election of Obama and his policies. How can the supposedly educated be so bad at applying history.
> People who are in the country illegally undermine the rule of law
No, they do not. Quite the opposite, they want to live their lives quietly and normally like everyone else.
The only law they "undermine" is the one forbidding them to living in a place due to a birth right. Civil disobedience to unjust laws like that is correct and moral.
> make people feel unheard leaving people to elect demagogues like trump
Disagree. IMO the biggest reasons for Trump's election were inflation and raising living costs. Under those conditions, picking a group of people to elect as the "enemy" is a tact to win elections, but has nothing to do with the underlying cause for the bad conditions in the first place.
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> It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate ... "We" (a lot of people, not everyone who posts here) don't believe that. Lots of people disagree with immigration control as a concept period. The existence of that app is an abomination; the fact tax payer money is being allocated to it is tragicomic. Not spending it and just giving it as tax returns to the population would be so m…
> ... "We" (a lot of people, not everyone who posts here) don't believe that. Lots of people disagree with immigration control as a concept period. I mean sure but you have to acknowledge that is an extremely fringe belief that basically no one in the USA supports. The debate is on "how" it's being done not that we shouldn't have immigration control.
> that is an extremely fringe belief that basically no one in the USA supports
Clearly is it not a belief that no one in the USA supports, as seem in the discourse against ICE and immigration contrl.
> The debate is on "how" it's being done not that we shouldn't have immigration control.
Not necessarily, no. "The debate" is too vague to elaborate in favor or against what you're saying.
But yes, there are people against immigration control period, and period in favor of reforms to make immigration easier for workers, not harder. But propaganda will keep putting workers against each other, instead of companies lobbying against workers.
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It's quite simple, some states want to allow voting without identity cards that prove that they are citizens of the country. I don't know of any other country that would allow it, but I know other countries where people in power used other ,,tricks'' to increase the chance of being reelected
There's no evidence of noncitizens voting in meaningful numbers, but I'm aware that's a popular right-wing talking point.
You changed what I wrote: it's not about non-citizens voting or not, it's about requiring identification by law at polling, which is required in every other democratic country.
As an example in in late 2024 in California Governor Newsom signed SB 1174, which explicitly prohibits local governments (like cities or counties) from passing their own laws to require voter ID.
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They're still illegal. You can and should defend yourself from poor strangers who view their circumstances as justification to infringe upon you. You can and should enforce your border.
Borders are an imaginary concept made-up by nation-states, which only serves the people in power. Or how are people fleeing from prosecution, looking for a better life, or just feeling like living somewhere else exactly hurting you? It's really a human right to move to another place, without reason required. If you're thinking about jobs, skilled workers immigrating will compete with you much more than less-privilege…
>Imaginary
People forgot this once Maduro was noped
>It's really a human right to move to another place, without reason required
Bhutan, Barcelona
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Why is this being downvoted? The primary reason Trump was able to win is because Biden waited until it was far too late to address the surge of illegal immigration at the southern border. We don't have to wonder or argue about whether Americans support open borders, we already had something mildly in that direction (that still didn't remotely approach the idea of "no immigration control, period"), and in response Ame…
Not everyone believes this is about "the border" but rather a Christian conservative takeover of society. The immigrants are just an excuse for the fascist goons in the street.
There are borders are imaginary and everyone should be able to move anywhere they want people on this post.
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#417To tech leaders and hiring managers at other companies: If you're reading this, please consider publicly stating that your company will interview Palantir engineers who want to exit on moral grounds. Create an explicit off-ramp. Lower the barrier to leaving. Make it a tech industry norm that we offer refuge to engineers trying to do the right thing.
Palantir had a shit reputation 12 years ago when I graduated from college. I'm not sure folks who couldn't figure that out until now are very principled.
So did HFT's, weapons makers, and Hedge Funds
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>because the vendor is good at navigating the sales and compliance labyrinth to secure deals. it's not just that. Alexandr Wang from Scale AI once said in a talk that they had to compete against Palantir for a gov contract. Palantir's salesmen have a high closing rate because they sell the software as if it were written by God itself. It's one hell of a sales strategy
> It's one hell of a sales strategy What happens when there's a bug in the software? Would that mean God is fallible after all? Could this be the plot line of Dogma++?
"we have 2394328423 devs on standby able to fix it if/when it happens. five 9s for all apps"
of course when shit actually hits the fan you'll still wait 4 days for a response
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We sent people who committed no crimes to a foreign concentration camp in a country that they aren't from and have killed several including citizens. Our present admin holds that it can detain anyone it merely asserts is illegal without trial or any due process and ship them to such camps or hold them domestically indefinitely in fetid slums that if we fill with the millions they want picked up will become death camp…
They did commit a crime by crossing the border illegally. Illegals are free to leave the country on their own and not deal with any of this, in fact they are paid to do so. The idea that removing people who entered America illegally and sending them back is the same as systematically exterminating an entire race of humans is so dangerous and makes any discussion with people who think like you such a waste of time. It…
A crime against the citizens like robbery not a civil wrong like overstaying their visa. We have a different interest in enforcing one vs the other which I think you know.
You are suggesting we can't call out what is actually happening in case the proud boys running around kidnapping and murdering people get hurt as if people will be inspired to hurt them because of online rhetoric and not because of the kidnapping and murder.
Want to keep ICE from getting hurt? Roll back enforcement to 2010 norms and start rolling in greater penalties from hurtful to ruinous for employee illegals with 5 years in jail for all management/HR/accounting who lie about it.
Start at 10% of payroll paid to illegal labor increasing to 1000% over whatever timeline would allow companies to transition from illegal labor.
Making it economical to hire illegal labor with a slap on the wrist or no penalty then punishing laborers for adapting over decades to this situation is insane.