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Post by 10xDev »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #359
GJim wrote: post #309

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> There were over 1000 protests OVER THE WEEKEND At the risk of sounding sarky, you are going to have to do more than protest at the weekend (!) to stop what is happening to you.

It's worth noting that Renee Good was shot because she was protesting after she happened upon ICE operating in her city. More than just weekend protests are happening. Few people in any of the blue sanctuary cities ICE is terrorizing actually want ICE to be there and those who don't frequently make themselves heard, sometimes resulting in their tragic end. Yes, some protests happen when it's convenient for the protes…

If you compare this to what is happening in Iran, US citizens are docile. A "peaceful protest" is an oxymoron.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by testing22321 »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #399
testing22321 wrote: post #388

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It was originally named the department of war, and changing it to defence was just newspeak anyway. Of all the things trump has done, I actually like this one. At least he’s being honest about his intentions for what this department does.

I'm of two minds on this. As you say, renaming from War to Defense was a lie to tell Americans a more palatable story. However, renaming from Defense to War is actually the same thing in the current political context but for populace with different values. It is honest in a way but that was not the intention, nor is it the effective result. It's just a different lie.

I mean, they’re doing their best to start new wars right now, so I’d say it’s not a lie at all.

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Post by dabluecaboose »

alsetmusic wrote: post #400
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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> Is there any surprise that there's a dearth of armed citizens ready to stand up for them? We may have the most armed citizenry in the world. If the second amendment advocates cared as much about our protected rights as they claim, they’d be all over this. All you’re saying is that our liberties only matter to them as regards people who agree with them politically. Which is absolutely true.

> All you’re saying is that our liberties only matter to them as regards people who agree with them politically. Which is absolutely true.

What I'm saying is that "Gun owner" shouldn't be a political statement, and we'd be a lot better off if more Democrats owned and trained with guns.

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Post by BryantD »

estearum wrote: post #214
BryantD wrote: post #204

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O'Keefe had already returned it, as I recall.

Right. It wasn't to recover the diary, it was an investigation into how they acquired it (which appears to have been clearly illegal given that you can't buy stolen goods, even if you're a journalist).

I would not say that Project Veritas acted illegally in this case, although I have absolutely no love for them and I think they have acted illegally and immorally in other cases. In the end the Justice Department did not bring charges.

You absolutely can't offer someone money to steal documents. That's clear. Even providing advice on acquiring documents is probably going to be unlawful. And if possession of the document itself is otherwise illegal (i.e., CSAM) there's no protection there.

It isn't necessarily illegal to offer money for a document, particularly if you don't have knowledge of how the document was acquired. I'm not familiar enough with this case to have a strong opinion other than knowing the DoJ elected not to bring charges.

And, yes, it was Trump's DoJ. In this case I'm unaware of any evidence that the decision was politically motived and I still have some confidence that whistleblowers would speak out, particularly given the recent wave of resignations due to directives in Minneapolis. I think people of good will could disagree with me there for sure.

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Post by Ancapistani »

alsetmusic wrote: post #400
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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> Is there any surprise that there's a dearth of armed citizens ready to stand up for them? We may have the most armed citizenry in the world. If the second amendment advocates cared as much about our protected rights as they claim, they’d be all over this. All you’re saying is that our liberties only matter to them as regards people who agree with them politically. Which is absolutely true.

> If the second amendment advocates cared as much about our protected rights as they claim, they’d be all over this.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Second Amendment, and all intersections with other civil rights are seen through our respective lenses.

There is a lot of attention being paid to this within that community, but it's largely supportive. Everything the left is upset about falls into two categories: it's either something with broad support (deportation of those not legally present) or there's more to the story that significantly changes the situation, at least from their perspective (Renee Good).

To be clear, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or even state my own views with this comment; I'd just like the various sides to understand each other a bit better.

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Post by Ancapistani »

NickC25 wrote: post #136
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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>Just a few years ago, their own supporters were smugly saying that standing up to the government is a fantasy for paranoid whackjobs. One dude in his home with a gun or two versus a 50 billion dollar ICE force that has complete immunity and a massive media and political empire ready to spin any bad incident into an us-versus-them narrative..... Yeah, it is a fantasy. Oh, and if anything really gets out of hand, that…

Are you familiar with Chris Dorner?

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Post by dragonwriter »

bluGill wrote: post #240
dragonwriter wrote: post #161

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> If there's one thing both parties agree with, it's that you can't ever vote for a third party Actually, both major parties (not always at the same time) have a long track record of working very hard to promote voting for third-party candidates, doing things like funneling funds covertly (or simply nudging donors) to fund their efforts, assigning party activists to support third-party efforts, etc. Of course, they e…

That only works if the message of the third party is more appealing to those voters. And so the major party also pays attention to which third party messages from those who would support them are getting through and changes. It is also helped because many of the people who are insiders in the major party are secretly voting for the third party when the majority of primary voters (who are rarely well informed) force s…

> That only works if the message of the third party is more appealing to those voters.

It actually works just as well if the third party fails to attract the voters with its message but provides a reason not to vote for the targeted major party candidate that would not work as well if the messenger was the major party using the third party as a stalking horse. Because discouraging voters that would otherwise vote for the other party has the exact same effect on the outcome as moving them to a minor party.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #12
a2tech wrote: post #3

Between this and Minneapolis I guess the water temperature just keeps on being turned up, and us frogs are just chilling out in our warm baths.

That was one of the main plot points in Andor. The rebellion had to raise the temperature faster, more dramatically, in order to wake people up. To make the frogs realize it was hot and jump out. Lonni Jung: "You realize what you've set in motion? People will suffer." Luthen Rael: "That's the plan." Luthen believes that to succeed, they need to anger the Empire and make them come down hard on the citizens, which in t…

Did people not like Andor? Or the same Russian Bots that downvote any anti-right-wing/brown-shirt sentiment.

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Post by pcaharrier »

rkagerer wrote: post #351
pcaharrier wrote: post #241

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>So in this case the government is raiding the home of someone who did not commit any crime, in the hopes of getting at people who might have. I looked at a lot of search warrant affidavits in a previous job and there's really nothing all that unusual about this aspect (doing it to a member of the press or doing it on a pretext are separate issues that I'm not commenting on). Police execute search warrants at other l…

...they don't get paid to help you clean up afterwards. Could you litigate to recover the costs and repair any damage done? Is there case law around what is a reasonable level of dishevelment?

Let's call it "extremely difficult" - https://ij.org/if-you-break-it-you-buy-it-unless-youre-the-p...
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