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Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by fsflover »

nephihaha wrote: post #408

Universal Basic Income is not the panacea it's claimed to be. UBI gives government more control over individuals' finances, especially those without independent means. Poverty is also the result of unfair taxation, where poor people face onerous taxes while receiving less and less in return, and the wealthy avoid tax at every turn. Or that it is difficult for people to be self-employed due to red tape favouring big b…

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by torlok »

keyle wrote: post #221

> The fun is still there, untouched. Well that's a way to put it. But not everyone enjoy the art only for the results. I personally love learning, and by letting AI drive forward and me following, I don't learn. To learn is to be human. So saying the fun is untouched is one-sided. Not everyone is in it for the same reasons.

I have no idea where the author is coming from with this. If I wanted to mainly tell others what to code, do code reviews, or "build", I'd be in a different role.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by remix2000 »

Honestly, coding with a chatbot's "help" just slows me down. Also the progress in chatbot space is minimal (at least it feels like that from an end user perspective), essentially nonexistent since like 2024. I only use them cause all search engines are broken on purpose now. It's truly terrible times we live in, but not because the robots could replace us, rather because nontechnical managers are detached from reality as they always were and want us to believe that.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by csmpltn »

simonw wrote: post #160
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

This is a pretty common position: "I don't worry about getting left behind - it will only take a few weeks to catch up again". I don't think that's true. I'm really good at getting great results out of coding agents and LLMs. I've also been using LLMs for code on an almost daily basis since ChatGPT's release on November 30th 2022. That's more than three years ago now. Meanwhile I see a constant flow of complaints fro…

So where’s all of this cutting edge amazing and flawless stuff you’ve built in a weekend that everybody else couldn’t because they were too dumb or slow or clueless?

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by holoduke »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #311
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

You’re right of course. For me there’s no flow state possible with LLM “coding”. That makes it feel miserable instead of joyous. Sitting around waiting while it spits out tokens that I then have to carefully look over and tweak feels like very hard work. Compared to entering flow and churning out those tokens myself, which feels effortless once I get going. Probably other people feel differently.

Well are you the super developer than never run into issues, challenges? For me and I think most developers, coding is like a continuous stream of problems you need to solve. For me a LLM is very useful, because I can now develop much faster. Don't have to think which sorting algoritm should be used or which trigonometric function I need for a specific case. My LLM buddy solves most of those issues.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by burgerone »

There's this infinite war between the two opposing sides. "It's going to change programming forever" vs "Why not just use your brain". I much prefer option two for all the good reasons. Saying that AI is awesome doesn't actually adress all its issues.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by sauercrowd »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #311
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

You’re right of course. For me there’s no flow state possible with LLM “coding”. That makes it feel miserable instead of joyous. Sitting around waiting while it spits out tokens that I then have to carefully look over and tweak feels like very hard work. Compared to entering flow and churning out those tokens myself, which feels effortless once I get going. Probably other people feel differently.

Three things I can suggest to try, having struggled with something similiar:

1. Look at it as a completely different discipline, dont consider it leverage for coding - it's it's own thing.

2. Try using it on something you just want to exist, not something you want to build or are interested in understanding.

3. Make the "jumps" smaller. Don't oneshot the project. Do the thinking yourself, and treat it as a junior programmer: "Let's now add react components for the profile section and mount them. Dont wire them up yet" instead of "Build the profile section". This also helps finding the right speed so that you can keep up with what's happening in the codebase

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by hollowturtle »

simonw wrote: post #160
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

This is a pretty common position: "I don't worry about getting left behind - it will only take a few weeks to catch up again". I don't think that's true. I'm really good at getting great results out of coding agents and LLMs. I've also been using LLMs for code on an almost daily basis since ChatGPT's release on November 30th 2022. That's more than three years ago now. Meanwhile I see a constant flow of complaints fro…

I can't buy it because for many people like you it's always the other that uses the tools wrong, proving the contrary for skeptics that keep getting bad results from llms it simply is impossible with this narrative as the base of the discourse, eg "you're not using it well". I don't even get why you need to praise yourself so much being really good at using these tools, if not for building some tech influencer status around here... same thing I believe antirez is trying to do(who knows why)

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by [deleted] »

fsflover wrote: post #411
nephihaha wrote: post #408

Universal Basic Income is not the panacea it's claimed to be. UBI gives government more control over individuals' finances, especially those without independent means. Poverty is also the result of unfair taxation, where poor people face onerous taxes while receiving less and less in return, and the wealthy avoid tax at every turn. Or that it is difficult for people to be self-employed due to red tape favouring big b…

Shallow dismissals are against HN Guidelines, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by camel-cdr »

simonw wrote: post #160
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

This is a pretty common position: "I don't worry about getting left behind - it will only take a few weeks to catch up again". I don't think that's true. I'm really good at getting great results out of coding agents and LLMs. I've also been using LLMs for code on an almost daily basis since ChatGPT's release on November 30th 2022. That's more than three years ago now. Meanwhile I see a constant flow of complaints fro…

How many thing you learned working with LLMs in 2022 are relevant today? How many things you learned now are relevant in the future?
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