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I'm returning my Framework 16

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Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by seethedeaduu »

IshKebab wrote: post #346
_cenw wrote: post #240

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I am not fucking around when I say incompatible with my existence. Of course I don't mean getting murdered, but advocating conversion therapy gets pretty close. https://world.hey.com/dhh/bad-therapy-08849dc9 I wouldn't be around if this was policy where I live (Let's put aside that the UK is in fact pretty fucked on that)

See at this point you're boycotting a company for supporting a developer who wrote a favourable book review of someone that has unproven and controversial but absolutely not fringe views about transgender issues that you disagree with. > I wouldn't be around if this was policy where I live If what was policy? Higher thresholds for mental health diagnoses? Cancel culture isn't a good thing, left or right.

"favourable book review of someone that has unproven and controversial but absolutely not fringe views" imagine saying this in 1930 and suddenly it doesn't sound as innocent.

Leave trans people alone.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by myself248 »

dagmx wrote: post #307
myself248 wrote: post #265

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As the owner of a Framework 13, you're exactly right. It only has 4 ports, at least one of which is pretty much always for charging, and let's face it you will always want a USB-A, so that leaves two. If you want to be ready for HDMI output or SD cards, that occupies them both, better hope you didn't want another USB-A or whatever. Oh, and there's a permanent headphone jack, for some reason. Compare to my last Thinkp…

Quite a few laptops support dual side charging fwiw. It’s definitely useful but not all that rare.

Right, but there's no way to search for them, that I've found. Even if a machine has multiple USB-C ports, the only way to ascertain that they're on both sides is to find photos of both sides. It's not like a specific amount of RAM that you can just click a checkbox to filter by.

And then you have to assume that the photos depict the actual model and variant you're getting, which is not always the case. It'd be a hard row to hoe, to return a machine based on "it had all the same ports it claimed, but in different places"...

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by chaostheory »

It’s a detailed review with annoying conclusions.

While it has improved a lot over the years, the core issue is that Linux still doesn’t work well on laptops compared to other OS’s. 99.99% of the time you’re not going to get a “premium” laptop running Linux for this reason

The other reason, he’s not getting a “premium” experience is that he’s buying a laptop built for repairability and upgradability. You’re going to have a lot of tradeoffs for that.

IMO the only way to have a “premium” laptop experience with Linux, is to buy a Mac and run Linux in either a container or VM. It’s an understatement to say that the author is not being realistic.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by moribvndvs »

As a reader interested in Framework and looking for honest feedback in the wild, this was a really frustrating blog entry. It feels like at every turn you’re coming up with conflicting requirements and impossible demands that even your X1 doesn’t meet. For example: regarding the MacBook, the worry about long term support for Asahi is understandable, but one of your main criticisms is that it has the same battery life as other Linux laptops? You wanted a bigger, repairable laptop and didn’t expect it to be larger or heavier? You preferred the slightly more washed out red of your old laptop, but didn’t tell us whether you could fix it with a display setting or why having more vibrant colors or having to adjust display settings is a bad thing for your use case? Have you considered just turning on a light rather than working in a dark room (please turn on a light, I destroyed my eyesight working like that)? I’m devastated to read you found the battery life simply par and that it used a little bit of electricity after suspend for 8 hours like every other laptop on the market, and that you were able to turn the power led off but not in your preferred location.

At the end of the day, you’re not required to like a thing for any reason you see fit, but I very much hope you figure out what you actually need and that such a device actually exists on this planet before you purchase another one.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by chocochunks »

E39M5S62 wrote: post #72
kec wrote: post #68

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Or you could just buy a MacBook Air for like $900 (or one of the windows snapdragon machines, but it you care about avoiding Intel I’m assuming you want Linux and doubt the support is as good as asahi on Macs)

Snapdragon support is decent to great these days, and importantly it's all in the mainline kernel tree. Edit: though it should be said that what I think is good might be a far cry from you think is good. I did use a Thinkpad X13s as my primary work machine for 6 months, though.

Unfortunately it's pretty device dependent. My SP11 seems pretty tough to get working :(

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by justarandomname »

debo_ wrote: post #27
justarandomname wrote: post #19

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My first laptop back in 2005ish or so was a Dell Latitude. Ran XP until Vista came out and I switch to Linux which it ran for a couple years until it was stolen from my car. I recall unimaginable pain and suffering due to wifi, which, IIRC, I side-stepped by buying replacing the stock Broadcom card with an Atheros card and I'm certain is not nearly much of an issue as it used to be.

2005 is a really long time ago.

Yeah, 2 decades!

I was just enjoying a bit of nostalgia for that old clunky grey laptop.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by justarandomname »

kelnos wrote: post #179
justarandomname wrote: post #19

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My first laptop back in 2005ish or so was a Dell Latitude. Ran XP until Vista came out and I switch to Linux which it ran for a couple years until it was stolen from my car. I recall unimaginable pain and suffering due to wifi, which, IIRC, I side-stepped by buying replacing the stock Broadcom card with an Atheros card and I'm certain is not nearly much of an issue as it used to be.

When it comes to WiFi on Linux, 2005 experiences are irrelevant to today.

Things have come a long way!

For years after I would only buy Atheros WiFi cards, these days its usually Intel ones.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by debo_ »

markus_zhang wrote: post #205
debo_ wrote: post #204

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Good to know. My most recent is from 2021 and it holds up quite well.

What model did you buy? Was it a new one? I'm looking for anything that can live up to 5+ years. I have seen all kinds of issues, and the most frustrating thing is, most of the issues are small but deal-breaking.

The XPS 13". I like highly portable laptops. The hardware has held up quite well.

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by whateverboat »

orthoxerox wrote: post #329
trueismywork wrote: post #167

> The Framework 16 weights about 2.2 kg according to my kitchen scale. For comparison, my X1 Carbon weights 1.3 kg. That may not seem like a big difference, but the extra kilogram makes carrying around the Framework 16 more difficult. In particular, I don't feel comfortable carrying it with just one hand while this isn't a problem with the X1. The author wanted a bigger laptop but the straight goes and compares it to…

> Not sure how you can make things like this not to have any lines for what its worth. So not sure what author is going for. Machine them with wire EDM, like these executive desktop toys? Yes, I know the seamless effect is achieved by polishing the two parts together afterwards, but you can still achieve a practically gapless fit.

One bump in your laptop and you are shit out of luck then though. Removable parts imply that there needs to be extremely slight wiggle room (not to the level rightly criticized by the blog post author, but it cannot completely go away).

Re: I'm returning my Framework 16

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Post by pastor_williams »

I bought a framework 16 shortly after it came out. My one gripe is around the track pad and the modules on either side of it. The fit there is not great. I really wish they would sell a full width track pad piece because the seams are imperfect. That said after the first month it hasn't bothered me. Definitely something I would change but not something that I notice or am inconvenienced by in daily use.
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