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This is not the future

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Re: This is not the future

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Post by aeonfox »

ajkjk wrote: post #369
wiether wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm genuinely curious about the changes you are talking about? Keep in mind, thirty years ago, I was a kid. I thought that fast food was awesome. My parents would allow me a fast food meal at best once a month, and my "privileged" friends had a fast food meal a week. Now, I'd rather starve than eat something coming from a fast food. But around me, normies at eating at least once a day from a fast food. We have at lea…

In the interim America got obsessed with fitness and being out of shape much less obese became dramatically less popular in the middle / upper class. Like now it's possible to go days in some cities without seeing a single obese person. It's still a big problem. Outside of the cities and in lower class areas, but... I think the changes are trickling down / propagating? That's been my impression at least. Surprised by…

The middle and upper class, city people, are just a fraction of the population. If there's been progress, it's not bearing out in the data. Though there appears to be a slight inflection point around the 2010, it seems the trend is still up. Though this data isn't recent enough to include the effects of semaglutide.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a...

Re: This is not the future

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Post by BrenBarn »

Amen to this. There's a certain mindset that seems depressingly prevalent in tech, which I can't even call fatalism because it doesn't really even have much of a negative-emotion dimension. It's just a sort of amorality that tries to move with trends and is puzzled by even the idea that we would choose to do things because they are good or bad, because we think they will lead to better or worse futures, etc., rather than just because they'll make more money or because they're more technically satisfying, or even just because everyone else seems to be doing them.

There's a lot of bad stuff going on; even more dangerous is the idea that we can't do anything about it; but more dangerous still is the idea that there's no reason to even think in terms of what we "should" do, and that we just have to accept our current position and trajectory without question.

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Post by frm88 »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #119

I understand artists etc. Talking about AI in a negative sense, because they don’t really get it completely, or just it’s against their self interest which means they find bad arguments to support their own interest subconsciously. However tech people who thinks AI is bad, or not inevitable is really hard to understand. It’s almost like Bill Gates saying “we are not interested in internet”. This is pretty much being…

I understand artists etc. Talking about AI in a negative sense, because they don’t really get it completely, or just it’s against their self interest which means they find bad arguments to support their own interest subconsciously

Why do you think, depicting artists with a negative sense re. AI as dumb or self-interested and following up with dismissing their arguments as "bad" will foster an open discussion?

The fact that you are quoting Gates and not anybody else makes it clear why you don't understand the techies' with anti AI arguments. This is why it matters: LLMs are a tool, currently provided for use by the general population, but it's still a tool owned by massive corporations which means it has to produce revenue and profit at some point. How would you feel, if in every AI art piece you make, a Coca-Cola bottle is auto-integrated and you cannot delete it? Pay the premium service and you get the same bottle, but a lot smaller. AI is first and foremost a software product. Product means marketing. A product, that would not exist, had the owning companies not used human-made art without either consent or compensation to make a profit for themselves. You do not enter in this equation, because you are just a potential consumer. The complete dehumanisation of all of us is why it matters.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by ch_fr »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #119

I understand artists etc. Talking about AI in a negative sense, because they don’t really get it completely, or just it’s against their self interest which means they find bad arguments to support their own interest subconsciously. However tech people who thinks AI is bad, or not inevitable is really hard to understand. It’s almost like Bill Gates saying “we are not interested in internet”. This is pretty much being…

> invent the wheel again forever?

Yep that's the usual "art is a problem that must be solved, the process is an inconvenience" mindset. The CEO of SUNO AI also said something similar, "people don't enjoy making music".

I mean, I understand the CEO of SUNO etc. Talking about self-actualization in a negative sense, because they don’t really get it completely, or just it’s against their business interest which means they find bad arguments to support their own interest openly.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by tim333 »

olelele wrote: post #338

"Talking to chatbots instead of public servants is not inevitable." I firmly believe this is where people will get the most annoyed in the long run. Not having any public facing human beings will lose people.

It's possible the chabots may become more helpful than the current unfortunate situation.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by tim333 »

Multiple options are inevitable. Internet connected beds, AI browsers and chatbots will be there for those who want them. Regular beds, browsers and people will still be around for the others.

"refurbished plane engines to power their data centers" may get banned though.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by JeremyNT »

jobs_throwaway wrote: post #214
JeremyNT wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps Bitcoin as proof-of-work productization was not inevitable (for a while), but once we got there, a lot of things were very much inevitable. Explosion of alternatives like with Litecoin, explosion of expressive features, reaching Turing-completeness with Ethereum, "tokens" once we got to Turing-completeness, and then "unique tokens" aka NFTs (but also colored coins in Bitcoin parlance before that). The cultu…

> These things don't have any utility otherwise and no reason to exist outside of those. Lol. Permissionless payments certainly have utility. Making it harder for governments to freeeze/seize your assets has utility. Buying stuff the government disallows, often illegitimately, has value. Currency that can't be inflated has value. Any outside of pure utility, they have tons of ideological reason to exist outside scams…

> Making it harder for governments to freeeze/seize your assets has utility

Yes, doing crimes is indeed a valid use case.

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Post by vegadw »

cons0le wrote: post #405
underlipton wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Micronotal instruments get close to hitting that spot for me. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N19WNiy-T0M https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o-IMV5OLCsU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjcQyQYhA7g

My friend has one of these, but they never caught on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2syqXx97LE

I had a seaboard. They didn't catch on because the surface isn't very consistent, it's hard to actually hit a note and not bend without setting the "dead zone" pretty large, and the surface itself is just not a great texture to play on.

The ExpressiveE Osmose is proving to be quite popular. I have one, as do 3 other musicians I know personally. It's a very similar idea, but a lot more mechanical.

There's other options too. The Ableton Push 3, Linstrument, Haken Continuum, and a few other MPE synths/controllers all do a better job than the Seaboard by miles. The Osmose is my reccomendation for most people currently, based on the half dozen or so MPE controllers I've had my own hands on and it's price, but I'd love to get my hands on a Continuum.

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Post by immibis »

zkmon wrote: post #40

You are mistaken. The future is defined by the common man on the steet. Those are the same people who use Whatsapp, Facebook and instagram accounts heavily and regularly. They will soon become the biggest drivers of AI adaption. The techies are drop in the ocean. You may build a new tech or device, but the adaption is driven by the crowd who just drift away without a pinch of resistance.

I don't understand people who use Instagram. I installed it for one specific person, and from opening the app to closing it, there's nothing but a nonstop torrent of pure garbage. I don't talk to that person much any more.

Re: This is not the future

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Post by nektro »

gwbas1c wrote: post #19

I do think AI involvement in programming is inevitable; but at this time a lot of the resistance is because AI programming currently is not the best tool for many jobs. To better the analogy: I have a wood stove in my living room, and when it's exceptionally cold, I enjoy using it. I don't "enjoy" stacking wood in the fall, but I'm a lazy nerd, so I appreciate the exercise. That being said, my house has central heati…

> I do think AI involvement in programming is inevitable

it's not.

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