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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The reason is a bit strange. To me it seems as if Zig is just very opinionated. Personally I think the decision to move to Codeberg was made independently of Microsoft being a problem. I don't dispute that Microsoft is a problem; I just don't see many great alternatives to github either. Gitlab consistently is worse for me as a user. I think the bigger problem is that these big megacorporations control so much. I fin…

How is Bitbucket these days in comparison? Is it no longer even a player?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

Well, no, they still acted based on the original ego/pride, they just changed blogpost to look different. I mean, reason of "we don't want to be tied with direction MS takes" is good enough, not sure why they felt need to invent reasons and nitpick some near irrelevant things just to excuse their actions

Yep, agreed. I think this would have been the better reason too, but anyway - I also don't think it is so important either way.

The big problem still remains: corporations control WAY too much in general.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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> I don't get it, why did they allow GitHub bot to modify and merge pull request automatically They didn't, poor wording on Register part. The pull request was closed for inactivity by the bot.

Again, perfectly avoidable.

Uhh we're talking about the pull request to safe_sleep, right? Not sure why you take that condescending tone when anecdata goes AGAINST your position.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

I did prefer that honest line about bloated, buggy Javascript framework. Otherwise might as well ask an LLM to spit out a sanitized apology text for your change in provider. Just like ten thousand identical others copied from a playbook. Allow your eyes to comfortably glaze over with zero retention.

Have people already forgotten that the ReactJS port made github slow ? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44799861

The revised, politically-correct, sanitized re-framing that you apparently insist on does not convey this very important point of information.

We have freedom of speech for a reason - blunt honesty conveys important information. Passive language does not.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

Came here to write that. Let us recognize that he accepted our feedback and improved. This is good.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Isn't github a rails app that heavily uses server side rendering?

I'll be honest, I don't use github often. So if they're wrong, well, they fucked up in their complaint that could be redirected to one of many other websites instead.

fair enough! To be clear - a rails app and a bloated js app are not mutually exclusive. From my observations though, github feels slow because it feels slow, not because of js shittiness

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.

Not just them. For example, Qt self hosted cgit got ddos just two weeks ago. No idea why random open source projects getting attacked. > in the past 48 hours, code.qt.io has been under a persistent DDoS attack. The attackers utilize a highly distributed network of IP addresses, attempting to obstruct services and network bandwidth. https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2025-Nove...

Sounds like the good old AI scraper DDoS - which, by the way, has no evidence of actually being AI related

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

#419

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I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

Its a thing with (online) culture - no matter what you do you're going to ruffle some feathers. If no one hates what you are doing chances are you're not doing anything really

Well, it was comparing people with monkeys and calling them losers. It was a straightforward personal insult. Writing something online in a blog is like making a public announcement on a market with 100s listening. No one except someone who wants to inflame would use such words in the real world. People just forget that they are speaking in the public. And in that case not only for himself but also for others.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I say "I'm not making yet another account to report this bug". Tangled is trying to solve that problem but we'll see.

That's the beauty of email-based approaches. You can just clone, do your changes and `git send-email`. Done. I think it would've been far easier to build a decent GUI around that flow, with some email integration + a patch preview tool, rather than adding activitypub, but oh well.

doesn't need full fledged activitypub, just a common place to login

might just do it federated way of "here is my domain, here is DNS entry pointing to my identity server to talk with", that way it isn't even tied to single identity service, but a given user will need to use only single login for all of the servers.

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