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Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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This article is written as if SpaceX does not exist. Every single comparison is against 30, 35 year old obsolete technology. Power: It uses the ISS solar arrays as reference. They are obsolete for decades. A much better reference for the purpose of cost estimation would be Starlink sats. The total installed power of all Starlink sats is tens of megawatts, and will reach gigawatts once larger Starlink sats will be lau…

Any honest discussion will conclude that it ought not to be attempted so it doesn't matter for such discussions whether it's possible or not.

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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Space datacenters have the dual-use of tracking and weapons targeting which is needed for a robust Golden Dome architecture (immune to comm link jamming, terabit image sensor processing) Musk is involved in every aspect of Golden Dome.

> Space datacenters have the dual-use of tracking and weapons targeting Space datacenters aren't going to be equipped with military infrared sensors. They stick out like a sore thumb on the electromagnetic spectrum and the second you test it every peer-power would know it's a military platform. Nevermind the fact that the satellites don't transmit to American C2, so they'd need laggy ad-hoc networking to reach STRATC…

Not sure what you're trying to say

If you're interested in Musk and the Mars Society history as a front for the U.S. military industrial complex, a good start is https://www.mintpressnews.com/pentagon-recruiting-elon-musk-...

And that was written before Musk won the recent Golden Dome contracts, etc.. so very precient

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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> Space datacenters have the dual-use of tracking and weapons targeting Space datacenters aren't going to be equipped with military infrared sensors. They stick out like a sore thumb on the electromagnetic spectrum and the second you test it every peer-power would know it's a military platform. Nevermind the fact that the satellites don't transmit to American C2, so they'd need laggy ad-hoc networking to reach STRATC…

Not sure what you're trying to say If you're interested in Musk and the Mars Society history as a front for the U.S. military industrial complex, a good start is https://www.mintpressnews.com/pentagon-recruiting-elon-musk-... And that was written before Musk won the recent Golden Dome contracts, etc.. so very precient

You're talking past everything I said. Do you have any sources for your claim that space based datacenters are dual-use?

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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Nobody is asking you to.

People are asking my elected representatives to, and if those reps say yes, then I have to help pay for it or risk going to jail.

The current Mars movement is NASA-independent. We only need FAA authorization to launch, that is all. It's 100% privately funded.

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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Why though? That’s the interesting part. Pioneers want to be there to experience the challenge of bootstrapping. It’s the whole point. It’s like saying “why climb Everest? We can send a drone up instead.”

Right, and now that "climb Everest" is past the "pioneer" stage, what does it look like? Trash, exploitation and littered with corpses.

So? People still want to climb, and if they want to risk their lives, they can.

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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Though it lacks in the headlines, my preference is to send the robots first to bootstrap local production. Unless we really screw up the worst case would be some extra garbage to clean up for future missions, and the best case is any sort of increase in local production capacity.

Why though? That’s the interesting part. Pioneers want to be there to experience the challenge of bootstrapping. It’s the whole point. It’s like saying “why climb Everest? We can send a drone up instead.”

If you're climbing Everest, sure. If you're settling a new world, building a place to live with an economy, then the easier the better.

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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“Dear T-Mobile/Verizon/Starlink, cease your illegal operation within 24 hours or we will start imprisoning executives.”

You don't need other carrier's permission if the direct-to-cell satellite allows anyone to receive data.

And government does not need anyone's permission to do direct to prison cell for the executives.

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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The comment you were replying to mentioned this. Yes you cant remove heat via convection, but you can use radiators to emit heat as radiation into space.

You need HUGE radiators to emit a lot of low-temp waste heat into space. That kills this idea right there.

Depending on how hot/dense/clocked you run your compute, the Radiators take _less_ surface area than the solar panels, so you can have them back to back and the radiators will take less space.

Obviously there are some unanswered questions but there is clearly a path forward.

Re: Datacenters in space aren't going to work

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Not sure what you're trying to say If you're interested in Musk and the Mars Society history as a front for the U.S. military industrial complex, a good start is https://www.mintpressnews.com/pentagon-recruiting-elon-musk-... And that was written before Musk won the recent Golden Dome contracts, etc.. so very precient

You're talking past everything I said. Do you have any sources for your claim that space based datacenters are dual-use?

Easy: https://www.kratosspace.com/constellations/articles/data-cen...

SDA’s “Battle Management Layer will provide automated space-based battle management through command and control, tasking, mission processing and dissemination” to support time-sensitive kill-chain closure. https://www.sda.mil/battle-management

Golden Dome and future missile tracking and ISR will depend on real -time insights, which requires Edge Computing on orbit, running advanced AI/ML algorithms.” https://unibap.com/news/defense-in-the-foreground

sorry can't help you with your user feuds

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