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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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yeah dunno why anyone would willingly use a msoft product if there was a viable alternative (i say from my windows machine doh, its for games, really!)

> i say from my windows machine doh, its for games, really!

Games run really well on Linux nowadays too :P

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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> Yes, he did. It is funny. Yeah, it’s hilarious! Calling someone a monkey is such a clever and thought provoking insult! > I don't know why we need to talk endlessly about it If you are confused by this, why are you continuing to respond? > When I said I decline to share my lines and boundaries here, I meant just that. I didn't mean that I need a lecture on CoC from you. I know what CoCs are and why they exist. I re…

> If you are confused by this, why are you continuing to respond? I'm not confused by anything. That was a rhetorical question. I continue to respond because there are other things that I care about and I have things to say about that. I don't care about what style or tone or words Andrew choses on their website. But I care about people trying to be morality police and discouraging someone blogging on their own websi…

> But I care about people trying to be morality police and discouraging someone blogging on their own website from writing rudely and writing politically incorrectly

This appears to be a strawman. You already admitted he violated the CoC - so he is in the wrong here.

I'm not sure what else there is to disagree with - that's been my assertion from the beginning.

If he wants to write childish stuff on his own website that is not covered by the CoC, that's his choice. I'm also free to express my opinion on that, but I never implied that he shouldn't be able to write whatever he wanted on his own personal blog.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

when the shit finally starts flying there is no better place to be than low down, in a dark corner, with clean hands, looking nothing like a pig

And with no money or users....

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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post #277

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It's not in conflict. They are pointing out that in this case their stated goal was not achieved so it's pointless.

It wasn't their stated goal, if you read linked article. The commenter got it wrong.

Enlighten me, they specifically mention ICE as a reason they wanted to switch from GitHub?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Came hear and read “GitHub isn’t a good guy anymore” (not the first time, and seems to be increasing in frequency). It’s like sourceforge all over again. History rhymes with itself, and enshitification has been added to dictionaries for a good reason. As a once upon a time avid slashdotter, makes me wonder if some day, HN will go the same route.

I am not sure it is like sourceforge. The UI of sourceforge was always bad. Github's UI is quite solid. I actually started to hate gitlab recently because of their UI. I always feel in utter confusion when it comes to gitlab.

> actually started to hate gitlab recently because of their UI.

Same. UI "improvements" and LLM slop features instead of improving the developer experience

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

#418

Looking at these comments, it's painfully apparent how many think that being polite in your communication is more important than actually doing something. I agree it would have been nicer if the message was more polite. But if you compare that to having the backbone follow through with meaningful long-term changes against a corporation you don't trust or respect, there shouldn't even be a discussion. And don't even g…

> it's painfully apparent how many think that being polite in your communication is more important than actually doing something

So you want people to talk about actions, not manners. Great.

> And don't even get me started with the people who come in here just to point out that Codeberg isn't perfect either.

Except actions they did with Codeberg...?

Sharing their experience about Codeberg isn't off-topic in a thread about a major repo migrating to Codeberg.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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They've abandoned GitHub for Codeberg because GitHub has ICE as a customer. Codeberg uses Paypal which is a member of the ICE "Virtual Global Taskforce". https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/top-story-industry-partner... There is a purity spiral that organizations can enter when they start doing this, which ends up with you shoving yourself into a cold dark corner of the internet and still not being completely detached…

That's a weird take-away from the post, where the only time ICE is mentioned is > Putting aside GitHub’s relationship with ICE, and the rest of the article provides technical reasons.

I feel like that's the whole point of the OP. I agree with the overall post but mentioning the ICE relationship seems to detract from the main point.

"I hate GitHub because X Y and Z features are bad" is a good reason to move away; "I hate GitHub because one of their thousands of enterprise customers does not align with my political views" is not, in my opinion.

For the record, I do not support ICE

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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post #288

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I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.

Not everyone is that robust. People get hurt over things like that. Not everyone is a wizard who does not give a fuck and does not need to care. These are people for God's sake. Empathy!

    > These are people for God's sake. Empathy!

One man's empathy is another man's hatred.

From my perspective your take and actions in this thread is itself completely devoid of empathy.

The reason for colorful language breaking through professionalism is because there is real human emotion behind those words. Real pain and suffering, lost time in the life that will never be regained, an ever widening bald spot from the stress. That type of thing yearns to be expressed in a way that generic corpo speak is by design unable to communicate.

Your response to these emotions is to simply stick your head in the sand(aka refuse to read the blog post)? Worse yet, even without that context, you are here trying to convince those around you to also stick their heads in the sand?

To dream up scenarios where theoretical someones in a giant faceless corp might maybe possibly be offended? Instead of trying to listen and understand the person already in front of you who has actually been offended?

Again everything is a matter of perspective, but from mine your comments severely lack the empathy you supposedly call for.

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