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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by methoddk »

Apocryphon wrote: post #335
methoddk wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So racism is okay as long as it's not in a professional setting?

His racism is not the subject of dispute here. The racism that the story focuses on is the one that created a hostile workplace and is the subject of legal action.

Why isn't it? The use of racism regardless of any factor is wrong. You are still condoning one person's use of racism over another. Setting does not dictate when racism is okay.

Edit: Also legal action? Im sure his use of "dumbwhite motherfucker" in court will go over very well. Come on...

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by bmj »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #363
bmj wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but some of his content will be a barrier for some people. I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive. IANAL, but I wonder if this post will hurt his chances of successfully pursuing his employers?

I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive. Why do you believe that? Have you been in a bunch of pitch perfect productive conversations about racism? In my experience, when one tactic for derailing conversations about racism fails people just pick up another one. In this conversation you see many such strategies at play: I see all of these as efforts to not talk about t…

I'm not suggesting that the tone of the post determines its veracity. I am suggesting that the reaction the post has received here is due to its tone, not to its content. I'm fairly sure most commenters would agree that his ex-co-workers were racists (or, at the very least, extremely thoughtless). I'm not demanding a pitch perfect post on Tumblr at all, merely making an observation about the reactions.

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erikpukinskis wrote: post #363
bmj wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but some of his content will be a barrier for some people. I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive. IANAL, but I wonder if this post will hurt his chances of successfully pursuing his employers?

I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive. Why do you believe that? Have you been in a bunch of pitch perfect productive conversations about racism? In my experience, when one tactic for derailing conversations about racism fails people just pick up another one. In this conversation you see many such strategies at play: I see all of these as efforts to not talk about t…

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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by chipsy »

reeses wrote: post #402
makomk wrote: post #325

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I'm too cynical to even manage disappointment, sorry. HN is... well, it's very white. I'm not so much talking about the people who comment here, but for the most part we're discussing companies founded and run by white people, funded by all-white venture capital organisations, with a largely-white employee base. Given that, it's sadly not surprising that many commenters here have really fucked up views on racism beca…

One phenomenon I've seen a lot is racism/sexism/prejudice of some other sort given free rein because there is no self criticism in that area. Because only stupid people are sexist and racist. We are smart, ergo, we cannot be sexist or racist.

To me it is a faith-induced form of ignorance - that because you have mastered one of the tiny, tiny subsets of all the world's technical knowledge, you believe yourself to have similar ability in other realms of knowledge as well. Morality and ability become one and the same, especially after the conditioning of hundreds or thousands of pissing matches in which you attempt to prove the same point, over and over: "I'm right and you're wrong." Logic becomes one's drug, because it lets you win and be powerful. Other flaws don't matter because you can avoid those discussions(if you're a white, straight cis male).

But really, it's relatively easy to find people who know a lot of things and can work through deep logic. "Big-picture" judgment and perspective is a lot harder to come by.

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Post by mkramlich »

Last week I was called "white fuck" by a Hispanic teenage invididual hanging out with a large group of his friends, while walking through a public park. Yet you don't see me crying about it on the web or expecting to see it discussed on Hacker News. In fact, I've been harassed many times by Hispanic and black individuals over the last 10 years, as an adult, and almost every one of those times my race, white, was explicitly cited as an epithet. But again, I just suck it up and attribute it to low-class, ignorant, immature people. Not to some grand conspiracy to oppress. There's a heck of a lot of sucky people in this world. And a heck of a lot of decent ones too, of all races, genders, ages. Deal with it.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by [deleted] »

king_jester wrote: post #50
drats wrote: post #29

"Dumbblack " "then proceeds to do what black men always can’t help but do" "black men always telling which way is up because they feel they are the “authority” when it comes to any and everything, most often when they don’t know shit about shit" " I know when black people start to speak down to me from their pedatsol which is white privilege, they aren’t listening, nor will they" "I cannot afford to take black people…

This is the equivalent of saying the author of this post is a reverse racist. When was the last time a white person was killed for being white? When was the last time someone came up to a white person and said they should be grateful that their ancestors were slaves? When was the last time the government systematically dismantled the white community in order to enforce racist class oppression? Repeat after me: WHITE…

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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by mkramlich »

Last week I was called "white fuck" by a Hispanic teenage invididual hanging out with a large group of his friends, while walking through a public park. Yet you don't see me crying about it on the web or expecting to see it discussed on Hacker News. In fact, I've been harassed many times by Hispanic and black individuals over the last 10 years, as an adult, and almost every one of those times my race, white, was explicitly cited as an epithet. But again, I just suck it up and attribute it to low-class, ignorant, immature people. Not to some grand conspiracy to oppress. There's a heck of a lot of sucky people in this world. And a heck of a lot of decent ones too, of all races, genders, ages. Deal with it.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by [deleted] »

king_jester wrote: post #50
drats wrote: post #29

"Dumbblack " "then proceeds to do what black men always can’t help but do" "black men always telling which way is up because they feel they are the “authority” when it comes to any and everything, most often when they don’t know shit about shit" " I know when black people start to speak down to me from their pedatsol which is white privilege, they aren’t listening, nor will they" "I cannot afford to take black people…

This is the equivalent of saying the author of this post is a reverse racist. When was the last time a white person was killed for being white? When was the last time someone came up to a white person and said they should be grateful that their ancestors were slaves? When was the last time the government systematically dismantled the white community in order to enforce racist class oppression? Repeat after me: WHITE…

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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by humean »

saraid216 wrote: post #284
humean wrote: post #226

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She just got her head bitten off on the public Internet . Some HR dude is probably looking for her right now.

I think you're seriously overestimating the amount of liquid in Kixeye's care cup for this guy's feelings.

I think that once the OP sues, Kixeye will be supersizing its care cup. It's easy to think you're freer than you are before that process server shows up.
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