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I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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post #404

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They didn’t say “agree with” they said “97% similar views.” This seems like a pretty informal measurement, and we don’t have much insight into what it really means.

Feels like a lot of y'alls feelings are getting in the way of what I was saying here. Slow down and read carefully. You all should try thinking about this in perhaps Venn diagrams or something. There are Black people on Mastodon, myself included. In my interactions with them, to me, it appears as of the (very tiny) subset of Black folks who are also on Mastodon, I have observed and interacted with them on views and i…

FWIW I was trying to disagree with the person I responded to and agree with you. Sorry if it came off some other way. Actually, thinking of it “we don’t have much insight into what it really means” could look be read as sounding negative toward your post; not intentional!

I though they were applying an overly-restrictive definition of “agree with 97%,” and was trying to point out that what you actually wrote “97% similar,” left plenty of room for reasonable interpretations (like the one you posted).

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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post #348

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That’s actually why I never tried it. Server selection. Choice paralysis. Gave up.

how did you get internet access?

Usually there's a couple of options for internet access based on your address, not hundreds of servers.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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This is unfortunate and ultimately wrong. The ultimate stupidity is exemplified by Musk and Bezos, and others of their ilk. To step away from Mastodon because people compare you to them is an error. We need not just Mastodon's but to find new ways - non-corporate - ways to come together and collaborate. I am beginning to suspect that Democracy is not a political system but an economic system. A better way to address…

> We can incorporate, but can we indemocrate? I'm working on this right now. I'm building a Facebook alternative that will be a nonprofit, multistakeholder cooperative if I can get it off the ground. It won't be owned by anyone, instead it will be governed by its workers and users in collaboration. It's called Communities ( https://communities.social ) and it's in open beta now. We got the apps in the app stores last…

Do you have a plan for dealing with the clickbait problem?

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

#414

This is unfortunate and ultimately wrong. The ultimate stupidity is exemplified by Musk and Bezos, and others of their ilk. To step away from Mastodon because people compare you to them is an error. We need not just Mastodon's but to find new ways - non-corporate - ways to come together and collaborate. I am beginning to suspect that Democracy is not a political system but an economic system. A better way to address…

> We can incorporate, but can we indemocrate? I'm working on this right now. I'm building a Facebook alternative that will be a nonprofit, multistakeholder cooperative if I can get it off the ground. It won't be owned by anyone, instead it will be governed by its workers and users in collaboration. It's called Communities ( https://communities.social ) and it's in open beta now. We got the apps in the app stores last…

How do you ensure "one user, one vote?"

This seems impossible without intrusive government ID verification, and not immune to government meddling in any case.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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post #357

Decentralisation on Mastodon is an illusion. For me a truly decentralised thing is where I am a node that transmits and can receive transmissions, like radios. When there has to be a server that's being administrated by somebody, this already puts me in a position where I depend on the people who own the server. This means that if for any reason these people don't like me, they can simply ban me and that's it. Basica…

And to make matters worse, Mastodon relies heavily on domains (and indirectly TLS root certs) as protocol primitives.

Even if you run your own server, you just change who your "overlord" is.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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> We can incorporate, but can we indemocrate? I'm working on this right now. I'm building a Facebook alternative that will be a nonprofit, multistakeholder cooperative if I can get it off the ground. It won't be owned by anyone, instead it will be governed by its workers and users in collaboration. It's called Communities ( https://communities.social ) and it's in open beta now. We got the apps in the app stores last…

Do you have a plan for dealing with the clickbait problem?

I'm exploring various systems of community moderation.

Right now experimenting with a "demote" button that people are encouraged to use on: disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, spam, and slop.

Communities' default feed is just chronological, but it also has "Most Active" and "Most Recent Activity". Right now, Demote knocks things down the "Most Active" feed.

Eventually, a high enough percentage of demotes would result in posts being removed from public feeds. A second, higher threshold, would result in it being removed from all feeds.

Demote usage would be moderated, and removal thresholds could be appealed to the official moderation team. Users who abuse or misuse demote would lose the privilege.

It's an experiment and we'll see if it works. It's also really early. But the thing that Communities is doing differently is that the users will ultimately be in control through democratic elections of the board. And I expect moderation to be a frequent and recurring issue in elections. (You know, if the whole thing gets off the ground at all.)

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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> We can incorporate, but can we indemocrate? I'm working on this right now. I'm building a Facebook alternative that will be a nonprofit, multistakeholder cooperative if I can get it off the ground. It won't be owned by anyone, instead it will be governed by its workers and users in collaboration. It's called Communities ( https://communities.social ) and it's in open beta now. We got the apps in the app stores last…

How do you ensure "one user, one vote?" This seems impossible without intrusive government ID verification, and not immune to government meddling in any case.

To be determined. It's not a problem we have yet, since we're going to ease into the cooperative governance.

Right now it's an LLC. If we can hit basic financial stability, then we'll convert the LLC to a nonprofit and start with an appointed board with a two year term who's job is to draft the permanent bylaws and define the electoral system. Basically, I'm bootstrapping it and we need to raise the money to pay the legal fees and fund the legal research needed to get the cooperative structure right. And part of that is going to be designing the electoral systems.

It's definitely going to be hard and it may end up coming down to "ID verification required to vote". Not to use the platform, just to vote in board elections. I'd love to find a way to avoid that, but we can always do it if we have to.

The plan is to moderate the platform pretty heavily using a two layered moderation system: community moderation as the first layer and official moderation as a second layer that moderates the community moderation. That moderation will be very much aimed at keeping the platform as free of bots, spammers, and propagandists as possible.

So if we're successful in that, we may be able to avoid the intrusive verification by saying "It's an honor system and all active users in good standing are trusted to be honorable." But it remains to be seen whether we're successful enough in the moderation to even attempt that.

Or we may be able to come up with some other system to ensure it.

The other piece is that it's a multi-stakeholder cooperative. Users elect half the board, but the workers elect the other half. And with workers, it will be easy to restrict it to one worker one vote. So the workers can and will provide a safety backstop against user elections that go off the rails in one way or another.

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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There’s really nothing to stop you running your own server. One of my impractical, but dream ideas was to create a Mastodon client that had a server embedded in it. No more ‘Signing up for a server’ by default you had your own instance

What’s impractical about that? It seems like a great idea. Well, I guess doing any big open source project is a bit impractical. I wonder if it would be possible to (as a hack) come up with a set of scripts to smoosh the general Mastodon server into this shape…

> What’s impractical about that?

My understanding is that ActivityPub relies on the server having a stable domain name and be reachable from the internet so that other instances can talk to it. So your client must continuously run its server in the background (impossible on mobile) and be reachable from the internet at a static IP or dynamic DNS with low TTLs (very impractical on mobile unless you perpetually leave your "mobile" at home).

Re: I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

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post #357

Decentralisation on Mastodon is an illusion. For me a truly decentralised thing is where I am a node that transmits and can receive transmissions, like radios. When there has to be a server that's being administrated by somebody, this already puts me in a position where I depend on the people who own the server. This means that if for any reason these people don't like me, they can simply ban me and that's it. Basica…

> For me a truly decentralised thing is where I am a node that transmits and can receive transmissions, like radios. That sounds like Nostr. My understanding is your node is the nostr relay. Your nostr client can publish messages to your relay. Any "subscribed" clients or relays can then access and forward the message from your relay.

On the GoToSocial website it's clear what it is, how it works and how to get started. The Nostr website seems more like they want me to sign up and start using their server/relay. And I had to spend some time searching for how to set up a private relay. This fact is off-putting. Feels like they care more about their product than about free communication.
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