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Still not as bad as the previous administration colluding with Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube to censor American citizens and in many cases, get them fired from their jobs.

Because the current administration doesn't get along with the CEOs of Meta, X, or Google, right?

Dana White is on Meta's board.

Musk had a new government position created for him to oversee.

Google donated $300 mil to the Ballroom and somehow their antitrust case went overwhelmingly in their favor.

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Extending the analogy would be a pretty weird but plausible thing - you show your ID to buy "internet credits" then go home and use them however you want. But those credits probably have an ID or known endpoint that will be tied to your ID/credit card.

Until someone finds a clever and credible way to anonymize "internet credit", we could just outlaw any internet-connected devices in possession or in use by a minor. To extend the analogy, just like a bottle of whiskey. For the safety of the minors, of course.

Interesting and very cyperpunk-esque to think about.

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Banning encryption proved infeasible, so they just switched to programs like PRISM instead. That was very successful.

Let me explain a bit further:governments lost the battle to ban code. Since then, no code can really get banned. And, nowadays we have vetted p2p VPNs even if all world govs try to ban vpn companies, and no prism or quantum computing programs can bypass their post-quantum e2e implementation.

Code is already banned by anti-circumvention laws.¹ I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard, legislatively, to have VPNs classified as a tool for circumventing "digital locks."

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention#Distributio...

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I think putting parents in control is the right path, but will reveal a sad fact. Many parents aren't taking time to be in control, and no amount of legislation will fix that.

Or the sadder fact that it's not actually about protecting kids.

Honestly it should be good news because the kids never needed protecting in the first place. If the solution wasn't censorship they would give zero fucks.

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Those are arguments why voting does not produce a perfect outcome. That's different than "voting doesn't work". Using arguments like yours nothing can ever work. Society is complex and there will always be someone somewhere that can influence an outcome where he/she doesn't understand the subject matter. Hence, nothing works and can ever work. "Let's just give up" is the only conclusion I can see. Hardly useful. Can…

It does not work to produce a society where people are actually the ones holding power and where laws side with those in the right - i.e. the current legal system anywhere does not represent a consistent moral system and is not even close. You're right it's too strong as a general statement but it was in response to a specific issue - those in power wanting to take yet another bit of power from the general population…

Here's how just one of your proposals has worked out in reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

Democracy is a complicated difficult thing. If you think you can fix it after a 5 minute reflection, think some more, read more. It's way, way harder than that. A lot of smart people have thought a lot about it, and clearly good ideas are in very short supply. Think more humbly about the subject, please.

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No True Scotsman applied to concept; fascinating. Capitalism is circumlocutions of long dead people who provided little to society but the sound of their voice, vacuous writings. So kind of the educated labor exploiters of the past to explain how the world must work. Very TINA of them. Capitalism is people socially convincing each other there's a communal upside to capitalism. Sounds almost like socialist communist n…

Capitalism and communism couldn’t be more different, in the true definition of the terms. Communism is literally a ruling class dictating the lives of an entire country. Capitalism at least gives the opportunity of individual action. You are allowed to hate capitalism, clearly you do, and advocate for socialism, et. al. Whatever point you think you just made with your post is completely devoid of substance.

Of course. I would argue that's even extremely obvious. But you will never hear a communist or socialist put it like that.

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Protecting minors is never a goal. But punishing VPN providers will be next step after banning usage.

Exactly, but each time any lawmakers wants to "protect the children", the "alcohol solution" needs to be brought up. While it is somewhat ridiculous when applied to Internet access, it bring in the right perspective -- the population as a whole does not need to be affected by the measure

Except with alcohol everyone is affected by the measure. I need to show my personal data to random grocery store worker to buy alcohol. I an not minor.

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I'm not in the US so I've no dog in this race only curiousity. I can understand allowing a governor to change the text of a bill. But I cannot understand allowing them to sign those changes into law. It seems like that would mean they could creatively reverse the meaning of any bill. It seems like a governor should be able to approve the text as written, or change it and send it back. What am I missing?

The original intention was to allow for what is called a "line-item veto." Let's say you had a bill (and this is not uncommon) with a lot of basically unrelated provisions. It creates programs A, B and C. This would allow the governor to approve A and C but not B, and would prevent the sort of "horse-trading" that legislators like to do ("I'll support your pet idea if you support mine"). That was the idea. But Wiscon…

Okay that makes a kind of sense in the case stated but even there seems open to creative abuse in cases where those lines are not wholly independent. Thanks for the information.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-... DHS routinely tests TSA and they always fail spectacularly. This was just the first one on Google. You can easily find many more, this is widely reported on.

You realized there has been a complete overhaul in equipment since 2017 ? In your citation: In the public hearing today on Capitol Hill, members pushed for the full implementation of a program using new scanning equipment that creates a 3-D image of bags, giving screeners better ability to spot possibly dangerous items Those new scanners are in 255 of the nations 432 airports https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/07/19/…

Yes, and it's not the scanners that fail.

Scanner upgrades are mostly effective against weapon smuggling, not carrying on board by determined team.

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