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Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by mysfi »

sllabres wrote: post #267
blutoot wrote: post #256

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If you are (obviously) interested in the matter you might find one of the Bell Labs articles discussed on HN: "Why Bell Labs Worked" [1] "The Influence of Bell Labs" [2] "Bringing back the golden days of Bell Labs" [3] "Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home" [4] or "Innovation and the Bell Labs Miracle" [5] interesting too. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43957010 [2] ht…

I became interested in the matter reading this thread and vaguely remember reading a couple of the articles. Saved them all in NotebookLM to get an audio overview and to read later. Thanks!

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Post by vbarrielle »

noddybear wrote: post #297
ozgrakkurt wrote: post #243

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I'm no expert on math but "math is pattern matching" really sounds wrong. Maybe programming is mostly pattern matching but modern math is built on theory and proofs right?

Nah, its all pattern matching. This is how automated theorem provers like Isabelle are built, applying operations to lemmas/expressions to reach proofs.

Automated theorem provers are also built around backtracking, which is absent in LLMs.

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Post by seanhunter »

anshumankmr wrote: post #354
Aurornis wrote: post #315

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> Researchers are getting rewarded with VC money to try what remains a science experiment. That used to be a bad word I’ve worked for multiple startups and I’ve watched startup job boards most of my career. A lot of VC backed startups have a founder with a research background and are focused on providing out some hypothesis. I don’t see anything uncommon about this arrangement. If you live near a University that does…

Fusion, stem cells, CRISPR,robotics etc all come to mind.

Google also.

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Post by yatopifo »

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If a "science experiment" has the chance to displace most labor then whoever's successful at the experiment wins the economy, period. There's nothing weird or surprising about the logic of them obsessively chasing it. They all have to, it's a prisoner's dilemma.

Fusion power has the chance to displace most power generation, and whoever is successful at the experiment wins the energy economy, period. However given the long timelines, high cost of research, and the unanswered technical questions around materials that can withstand neutron flux, the total 2024 investment into fusion is only around $10B, versus AI's 250+B. Why are these so different?

I think there are two reasons. First, with AI, you get see intermediate successes and, in theory, can derive profit from them. ChatGPT may not be profitable right now but in the longer run, users will be paying whatever they have to pay for it because they are addicted to using it. So it makes sense to try and get as many users as you can into your ecosystem as early as possible even if that means losses. With fusion, you won't see profitability for a very very long time.

The second reason is by how much it's going to be better in the end. Fusion has to compete with hydro, nuclear, solar and wind. It makes exactly the same energy, so the upside is already capped unlike with AI which brings something disruptive.

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Post by Nimitz14 »

xuancanh wrote: post #65
sebmellen wrote: post #2

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

In industry research, someone in a chief position like LeCun should know how to balance long-term research with short-term projects. However, for whatever reason, he consistently shows hostility toward LLMs and engineering projects, even though Llama and PyTorch are two of the most influential projects from Meta AI. His attitude doesn’t really match what is expected from a Chief position at a product company like Fac…

Yann was in charge of FAIR which has nothing to do with llama4 or the product focussed AI orgs. In general your comment is filled with misrepresentations. Sad.

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Post by whoknowsidont »

ACCount37 wrote: post #116
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> Wang was born into a family whose parents got Chinese government scholarships to study abroad but secretly stayed in the US, and then the guy turns super anti-China. All I'm hearing is he's a smart guy from a smart family?

I imagine that CCP adherents would disagree. And there's no shortage of those among Chinese expats in the US. They tend to get incredibly offended when they see anyone who doesn't toe the Party's line - let alone believe that the Chinese government is untrustworthy and evil.

Sounds strangely American.

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Post by snapcaster »

cantor_S_drug wrote: post #306
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How old are you? That's what they've been selling us for the past 50 years and nothing has changed, all the productivity gain was pocketed by the elite

Here's my prediction : The rapid progress of AI will make money as an accounting practice irrelevant. Take the concept of "Future is already here but unevenly distributed." When we will have true abundance, what the elites will target is the convex hull of progress, they want to be in control of leading edge / leading wavefront and its direction and who has access to resources and decision making. In such a scenario…

Why didn't that happen when historically productivity already increased 10000x? Why would this time be different?

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Post by Noaidi »

mehulashah wrote: post #277

Most of the folks on this topic are focused on Meta and Yann’s departure. But, I’m seeing something different. This is the weirdest technology market that I’ve seen. Researchers are getting rewarded with VC money to try what remains a science experiment. That used to be a bad word and now that gets rewarded with billions of dollars in valuation.

Agree. This is just gambling with almost free money.

Feeding, housing, and educating people would benefit society, and these companies, so much more than AI ever will.

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Post by corford »

rob_c wrote: post #134
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>They knew what Yann LeCun was when they hired him. Yes but he was hired in the ZIRP era where all SV companies were hiring every opinionated academic and giving them free reign and unlimited money to burn in the hopes that maybe they'll create the next big thing for them eventually. These are very different economic times right now, after the FED infinite money glitch has been patched out, so now people do need to a…

so your message is to short OpenAI before it implodes and gets absorbed into Cortana or equivalent ;)

Unless you're an insider, currently you'd need to express that short via something else.
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