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ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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> I have seen more than once people using ChatGPT as a psychologist and psychiatrist and self diagnosing mental illnesses. It would be hilarious if it was not so disasterous. What is the disaster?

It can help and also hurt, depends. You have some mild situation that is quite common? Good chance it will give you good advice. Something more complex, more towards clinical psychiatry rather than shoulder to cry on/complaining to friend over coffee (psychologists)? You are playing a russian roulette that model in your case won't hallucinate something harmful, while acting very confidently, more than any relevant do…

Yes! They are extremely susceptible to user influence, based on what I have read and experienced in personal use. If your initial message contains a seed, e.g., "Should I break up with my boyfriend? He doesn't listen to me," the LLM will stick with the seed of negativity and not make an objective analysis of the situation or take initiative to challenge your/its original perspective.

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I don't understand this outrage. People put things on the internet for all to see but now you're mad someone saw it and made use of it. If you didn't want others to read your information you shouldn't have published it on the internet. That's all they're doing at the end of the day, reading it. They're not publishing it as their own, they just used publicly available data to train a model. It's quite the same as if I…

People publish stuff on the Internet for various reasons. Sometimes they want to share information, but if the information is shared, they want to be *attributed* as the authors. > If you didn't want others to read your information you shouldn't have published it on the internet. That's all they're doing at the end of the day, reading it. They're not publishing it as their own, they just used publicly available data…

> There is some nuance here that you fail to notice or you pretend you don't see it :D

I could say the same for you:

> I can't copy-paste a computer program and resell it without a license. I can't say "Oh I've just read the bits, learned from it and based on this knowledge I created my own computer program that looks exactly the same except the author name is different in the »About...« section"

Nobody uses LLMs to copy others' code. Nobody wants a carbon-copy of someone else's software, if that's what they wanted they would have used those people's software. I mean maybe someone does but that's not the point of LLMs and it's not why people use them.

I use LLMs to write code for me some times. I am quite sure that nobody in history has ever written that code. It's not copied from anyone, it's written specifically to solve the given task. I'm sure it's similar to a lot of code out there, I mean it's not often we write truly novel stuff. But there's nothing wrong with that. Most websites are pretty similar. Most apps are pretty similar. Developers all over the world write the same-ish code every day.

And if you don't want anyone to copy your precious code then don't publish it. That's the most ironic thing about all this - you put your code on the internet for everyone to see and then you make a big deal about the possibility of an LLM copying it as a response to a prompt?

Bro if I wanted your code I could go to your public github repo and actually copy it, I don't need an LLM to do that for me. Don't publish it if you're so worried about being copied.

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For a good 90% of typical visits to doctors this is probably fine. The difference is a telehealth is much better at recognizing "I can't given an accurate answer for this over the phone, you'll need to have some tests done" or cast doubt on the patient's accuracy of claims. Before someone points out telehealth doctors aren't perfect at this: correct, but that should make you more scared of how bad sycophantic LLMs ar…

> telehealth is much better at recognizing "I can't given an accurate answer for this over the phone, you'll need to have some tests done" I'm not sure this is true.

Again, it's not that all telehealth doctors are great at this, it's that LLMs are awful at caving in to saying something with warnings the reader will opt to ignore instead of being adamant things are just too uncertain to say anything of value when continually prompted.

This is largely because an LLM guessing an answer is rewarded more often than just not answering, which is not true in the healthcare profession.

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> I have seen more than once people using ChatGPT as a psychologist and psychiatrist and self diagnosing mental illnesses. It would be hilarious if it was not so disasterous. What is the disaster?

"People with real questions get roped in by an enthusiastically confirming sycophantic model that will never question or push back, just confirm and lead on." That wasn't too buried IMHO

> "People with real questions get roped in by an enthusiastically confirming sycophantic model that will never question or push back, just confirm and lead on."

> That wasn't too buried IMHO

I read that, but still fail to see evidence of a concrete "disaster". For example, are we seeing a huge wave of suicides that are statistical outliers triggered by using Chatbots? Or maybe the worry (unsubstantiated) is that there's a lagging effect and the disaster is approaching.

I suspect the outcomes are going to be less catastrophic; specifically, it seems to me that more people will have access to a much better level of support than they could get with a therapist (who is not available 24/7, who has less to draw upon, is likely too expensive, etc.). Even if there's an increase in some harm, my instinct from first principles is that the net benefit will be clear.

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I mean... you do have to backfill around your drainage pipe, so it's not too far off. Frankly, if you Google the subject people misspeak about "backfilling pipes" too as if the target of the backfill is the pipe itself too not the trench. Garbage in, garbage out. All the circumstances where ChatGPT has given me shoddy advice fall in three buckets: 1. The internet lacks information, so LLMs will invent answers 2. The…

I mean... you do have to backfill around your drainage pipe, so it's not too far off Really? You think filling you pipe with sand is comparable to backfilling a trench ?

People don't talk about "backfilling trenches", they talk about "backfilling pipes" which is precisely the problem. They also will say things like "when you backfill a pipe, use sand or granite."

It pretty obvious why an LLM would be confused by this.

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You ever see warning labels on products? That's because putting them in terms and conditions isn't enough to avoid liability in a products liability case.

Well it certainly helps

Who told you that? ChatGPT?

No, not really. It does not help. It evidences that they knew the risks were present but did not take the actions to adequately warn the consumers of its products, which OpenAI knows do not read the entirety of the TOS.

Again, this is exactly why you see warning labels on products. Prohibiting certain uses in small text, hidden in the TOS, is not a warning.

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true, true. Turtles all the way down and such.

Even more so with the ouruborus issue caused by LLMs trying to train on an increasingly LLM generated internet.

You know, I had a think about that the other day - I believe that the volume of bad information might remain stable, while the shape changes. There are some things that LLMs are actually better at than the random mix of human-created data, on average. Subjects that are inherently political or skewed because of a small subset of very vocal and biased outliers. The LM tends to smooth some of those bumps out, and in some places (not all) this flattens out the rougher edges.

I don't think it necessarily bears repeating the plethora of ways in which LMs get stuff wrong, esp. considering the context of this conversation. It's vast.

As things develop, I expect that LMs will become more like the current zeitgeist as the effects that have influenced news and other media make their way into the models. They'll get better at smoothing in some areas (mostly technical or dry domains that aren't juicy targets) and worse in others (I expect to see more biased training and more hardcore censorship/steering in future).

Although, recursive reinforcement (LMs training on LM output) might undo any of the smoothing we see. It's really hard to tell - these systems are complex and very highly interconnected with many other complex systems.

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You should not be feeding your medical records into ChatGPT.

And you shouldn't be using Gmail or Google Search. At some point the benefits outweigh the costs.

How does an email service compare to a glorified if-then machine that hordes all your data?

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> telehealth is much better at recognizing "I can't given an accurate answer for this over the phone, you'll need to have some tests done" I'm not sure this is true.

Again, it's not that all telehealth doctors are great at this, it's that LLMs are awful at caving in to saying something with warnings the reader will opt to ignore instead of being adamant things are just too uncertain to say anything of value when continually prompted. This is largely because an LLM guessing an answer is rewarded more often than just not answering, which is not true in the healthcare profession.

I follow the logic, I'm just not sure the claim is right.
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