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The DC-10 had some significant design flaws at the start.
e.g. https://mondortiz.com/the-problematic-cargo-door-of-the-doug...
The article has several words highlighted to be links leading to random pages ?
UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see now that it probably wasn't, but "nothing" is an overstatement. And knowledgeable and helpful responses can be AI, so there might be a fallacy somewhere in your offence-taking. Are you offended when people do that in general, or only when they are wrong? I do appreciate the effort put into writing a good comment.
> but "nothing" is an overstatement Absolutely not. There was genuinely nothing in their thoughtful and informative reply that seemed AI generated to me. Have you never seen people on HN write detailed, articulate answers? This was one of them. Asking a question, getting a helpful response, and then implying it was written by AI is quite rude. Saying, "Excuse me if not, $SOMETHING_VERY_OFFENSIVE" does not make "$SOME…
> to me
If it's absolute, then why add that? Mine "to me" gave me a different impression, but it being a "to me", I questioned, not accused.
You perhaps recognize t0mas88 after all these years on HN. I don't. I'm relatively a new and infrequent user.
So I hope that I would be criticised just as passionately if that'd be a random user whose comments indeed turned out to be AI. Because no matter what is the fact, the question is rude, nay, very offensive.
Using AI isn't a tabu. It is fully debatable wether generating, reviewing and pasting helpful information on an informal forum is wrong, I just implied my own frustration with what I often experience.
Of course I could've phrased it much better, and I suspect you guys wouldn't bat an eye.
> Have you never seen people on HN write detailed, articulate answers?
> It's frustrating and discourages genuine contributors.
These are good points.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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Maybe we should just stop commenting about whether or not something is AI generated. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is a waste of time. An apology (in advance or afterward) doesn't absolve you of responsibility. And if you feel the need to apologize for something in advance, that's a huge clue that maybe you should stop yourself from doing the thing you've just apologized for.
> Maybe we should just stop commenting about whether or not something is AI generated. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is a waste of time.
Ok, sure!
As for the rest, "excuse me if I'm wrong" is a very common and valid phrase, though a bit ruined by sarcastic misuse
I attempted to show with it that I don't assume anything or default to hostility, though on a different occasion you'd yourself probably argue that others feelings are not my responsibility.
I'm not sorry for asking the question, unless t0mas88 got offended by it.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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Zoning guidance generally prohibits land use near an airport that has a high density of people, precisely to limit casualties during an event like this. Industrial would be permitted while residential and commercial use is not. Scarily there are communities that have ignored such logic and permitted dense residential development right next to an airport.
Jets are also simply too loud for homes under the takeoff path in standard use. There’s what amounts to a ghost town next to LAX due to this and the history of the airport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_del_Rey,_California Burbank Airport has quiet hours and has left a bunch of commercially zoned area under that takeoff path. I’m in Atlanta now and they bought up a lot of land around the airport when redeve…
That's wild, I was in LA recently for work and drove by that area and wondered what was up with the street grid. I figured it must be something like this given the airport.
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#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
e.g. https://mondortiz.com/the-problematic-cargo-door-of-the-doug...
The DC-10 was a rushed programme to avoid Douglas being frozen out of the 1970s widebody market by Lockheed and Boeing. Similarly, the MD-11 was a cost-restricted update of the airframe to avoid McD being frozen out of the 1990s widebody market by Airbus and Boeing. McD management wouldn't fund the more ambitious four-engined MD-12, so the trijet's fuselage was stretched and aerodynamic tweaks applied. The MD-11 neve…
I always thought that the third engine was thrown into the tail of the DC-10 when they learned of the L-1011. However, I think I first heard that from a retired Tristar pilot.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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The second video here shows an incredibly close view of the impact from a nearby dashcam. https://www.wdrb.com/news/ups-plane-catches-fire-and-explode... > There is an incredible amount of ground damage! It's fortunate it wasn't taking off the other direction, towards the adjacent downtown of Louisville ( https://www.google.com/maps/place/Louisville+International+A... )
For anyone uninterested in the associated newscast, the footage begins at 5:24
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Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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> The crew wouldn't have had any way to know that one of their engines had not simply failed, but was straight-up gone with their wing on fire to boot. I don't know about the MD-11 itself, but other aircraft from that time period have sensors to detect and report overheat and fire in various parts of the aircraft, including engines and wings.
I think too many of us are used to movies and TV (and Star-Trek-like scifi) that gives the incorrect view that extremely detailed information about the state of things is available. The notification in the cockpit is likely nothing more than "ENG 2 FIRE" or similar. That could mean anything from "the fire is minor enough and we're at high enough speed that it's significantly safer to take off and then make an emergen…
> I think too many of us are used to movies and TV (and Star-Trek-like scifi) that gives the incorrect view that extremely detailed information about the state of things is available.
What a strange comment. I never made any such statement or claim that a science-fantasy level of technology would exist in a decades old aircraft or any aircraft.
I was responding to someone who made the absurd claim that the pilots wouldn't be informed of a fire on the wing, when in fact they would be informed of that (which you seem to agree with). So what's Star Trek got to do with anything?
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#418I didn’t realize the MD-11 was still in use. It has had a difficult time in passenger aviation. Looks really nasty. It seems to have come down in an industrial area, which will significantly reduce casualties. I can’t even imagine this, in a residential area.
Happened in the Netherlands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862 40+ people died in that one, it's a miracle it wasn't more.
Unrelated but this was interesting:
> It departed from runway 01L Zwanenburgbaan (now known as runway 36C)
Magnetic field change?
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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From my understanding "bumped" means removed? Jesus I wonder how he feels right now. It's like a lottery.
"You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street, or sticking your face in a fan." - Shirley Jackson
Yes this pilot knows he avoided death. Whereas everyone else may have "got lucky" without realising. Every crash you drive past on the motorway for example!
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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Maybe we should just stop commenting about whether or not something is AI generated. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is a waste of time. An apology (in advance or afterward) doesn't absolve you of responsibility. And if you feel the need to apologize for something in advance, that's a huge clue that maybe you should stop yourself from doing the thing you've just apologized for.
> Maybe we should just stop commenting about whether or not something is AI generated. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is a waste of time. Ok, sure! As for the rest, "excuse me if I'm wrong" is a very common and valid phrase, though a bit ruined by sarcastic misuse I attempted to show with it that I don't assume anything or default to hostility, though on a different occasion you'd yourself probably ar…
You really seem determined to keep digging this hole.