Before I clicked the article, I said to myself "The victim's gotta be Black", and lo and behold.
AI has inherited police's (shitty, racist, and dangerous) idea that any Black person is a dangerous monster for whom anything is a weapon.
Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
#412Sounds like this high school is doing a great job preparing students for the real world, where they can be swarmed by jackbooted thugs at any moment for any reason.
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, corporations have all of the rights of a person, abilities beyond a person, yet few of the responsibilities of a person.
They actually don't have all the rights of a person and they do have those same responsibilities. If this company was a sole proprietorship, the only recourse this kid would have is to sue the owner, up to bankruptcy. Since it's a corporation, his recourse is to sue the company, up to bankruptcy. As for corporations having rights, I can explain it further if necessary but the key understanding is that the singular of…
Unfortunately the company has a big war chest, and I have a small war chest, and was priced out of court through legal shenanigans and delays the corporations lawyers could afford.
Just bring back fucking pistol deals. I have a better chance of defending myself there.
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
Charge the superintendent with swatting. Decision-maker accountability is the only thing that halts bad decision-making.
> Charge the superintendent with swatting. This assumes no human verification of the flagged video. Maybe the bag DID look like a gun. We'll never know, because modern journalism has no interest in such things. They obtained the required emotional quotes and moved on.
Wouldn’t matter if they did. There’s no penalty for getting it wrong so the human is always incentivized to say yes and then say oops if it was wrong.
If there’s no feedback mechanism, verification doesn’t matter.
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#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're free to (attempt to) amend the Second Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has already affirmed and reaffirmed that individual ownership of firearms in common use is a right. What do you propose that is "reasonable" given the frameworks established by Heller , McDonald , Caetano , and Bruen ? I can 3D print or mill basically every item you can imagine prohibiting at home: what exactly do laws…
> the Supreme Court of the United States has already affirmed and reaffirmed that individual ownership of firearms in common use is a right. The current interpretation of 2A is actually a fairly recent invention; in the past, it's been interpreted much more narrowly. And if SCOTUS can overturn Roe v. Wade's precedent, they can do the same with their interpretation of 2A. They won't of course, at least not until some…
Roe v. Wade was bad jurisprudence according to RBG herself (who voted unanimously in Caetano.) Great example!
> The current interpretation of 2A is actually a fairly recent invention;
What was Miller, over a century ago? Is that "recent?"
> hopefully -- replaced with people who aren't idiots.
See you in 30 years!
> But I'd be fine if 2A was amended away.
Good luck! I'll keep milling and printing in the meantime!
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Engineer : hey I made this cool thing that can help people in public safety roles process information and make decisions more efficiently! It gives false positives but you save more time than it takes less time to weed through them. Someone nearby : well what if they use it to replace human thinking instead of augment it? Engineer : well they would be ridiculous. Nobody would ever think that’s a good idea. Marketing…
Refer to the post office scandal in Britain and the robodebt debacle in Australia. The authorities are just itching to have their brains replaced with by dumb computer logic, without regard for community safety and wellbeing.
And the black box sentencing recommendation systems some US states bought into like a decade ago.
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#417Was this really an AI gun detection system, or just a machine that goes off randomly?
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#418Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…
I don't often fly, but back when I went to germany on a school trip, on the return flight I got pulled aside into a small room by whatever the german equivalent of TSA is and they swabbed the skin of my belly, and the inside of my bag. I'm guessing it was a drugs check and I must have just looked shifty because I get nervous in situations like that, but I do find it funny that they pulled me aside instead of the guys with me who almost certainly had something on them.
Also my partner has told me that apparently my armpits sometimes smell of weed or beer, despite me not coming in contact with either of those for a very long time, and now I definitely don't want to get taken into a small room by a TSA person (After some googling, apparently those smells can be associated with high stress)
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#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://archive.is/DYPBL > Gaggle’s CEO, Jeff Patterson, said in an interview that the school system did not use Gaggle the way it is intended. The purpose is to find early warning signs and intervene before problems escalate to law enforcement, he said. “I wish that was treated as a teachable moment, not a law enforcement moment,” said Patterson. It's entirely predictable that schools will call law enforcement for m…
Exactly. In a saner world, we could use fallible AI to call attention to possible concerns that a human could then analyze and make an appropriate judgment call on. But alas, we don't live in that world. We live in a world where there will be firings, civil, and even criminal liability for those who make wrong judgments. If the AI says "possible gun", the human running things who alerts a SWAT team faces all upside a…
>we could use fallible AI to call attention to possible concerns that a human could then analyze and make an appropriate judgment call on
That "we could" is doing some very heavy lifting. But even if we pretend it's remotely feasible, do we want to take an institution that already trains submission to authority and use it to normalize ubiquitous "for your own good" surveillance?
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't put a corporation in prison. But a person you can. This is one of the big problems. The people making the decisions at corporations are shielded from personal consequences by the corporation. A corporation can be shut down but it rarely happens. Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths of hundreds (especially the second crash was entirely preventable if they would have been honest after the first one),…
> Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths Since corporations aren't people, Boeing didn't know anything. Did someone at Boeing have all of that knowledge?
> Since corporations aren't people, Boeing didn't know anything.
you have to recognize that a statement like this means that decision-makers at boeing either knew or were negligent in their duties.