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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by kebabfrites »

mattbee wrote: post #89

They abandoned documentation (edit: for the open source codebase) a couple of weeks ago - that seems more significant. From their Slack on Oct 10: "The documentation sites at docs.min.io/community have been pulled of this morning and will redirect to the equivalent AIStor documentation where possible ". [emphasis mine] The minio/docs repository hasn't been updated in 2 weeks now, and the implication is that isn't goi…

Unrelated but i find it funny that the Microsoft logo on the Install on Windows section is upside down on the redirected link docs.min.io/enterprise/aistor-object-store/

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jamespo »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #284
jamespo wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With 100PB clusters being built and not a cent going to them, you can see why minio has gone this route. I wonder if they will be "valkeyed"? Not by AWS presumably.

If they charged a cent, would people adopt it in the first place? They still got paid for those free users. Via investments. Cash is cash. I don’t KNOW what the RIGHT business model is, I don’t run MinIO, and neither do you.

maybe they got paid in exposure

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Post by egorfine »

williamstein wrote: post #268
Kevinmetaba wrote: post #238

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During an upgrade, I discovered that the console had been removed without any prior notice. MinIO really pissed me off. Over a month ago, I started looking for a MinIO alternative and found RustFS. I've been testing RustFS for over a month now, and the product continues to improve, with the community fixing bugs very quickly. I hope YC will invest in this company.

There is a nice table here https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-v... comparing RustFS to MinIO, including a claim about the MinIo support price.

This comparison reads like it was written by an adolescent. The first row immediately reminded me of the classic meme[1]

[1] https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/460629937/our-blessed-homel...

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by mattbee »

toast0 wrote: post #218
jamespo wrote: post #172

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With 100PB clusters being built and not a cent going to them, you can see why minio has gone this route. I wonder if they will be "valkeyed"? Not by AWS presumably.

That's the open source model. It's entirely predictable that if you provide software at no cost that is capable of running 100PB clusters, that some people will and you won't get paid, because those are the terms that you set. It's fine to change your mind, but doing it in this way doesn't build goodwill. It would be better if they made an announcement that they would stop creating/distributing images on some future…

I reckon they gave away too much, and are clumsily rowing it back.

Gitlab seemed to do a good job of navigating a community edition as an on-ramp for sales. But it's obviously a lot of work to maintain that edition, and VC must be feeling less geenerous than 10-15 years ago.

e.g. maybe if it were my project I'd have kept back the S3-compatible ACL support and put in something super-basic. Or even cluster support. Right now it feels like they're cutting off everything they can while still being able to call it "open source".

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by egorfine »

antiloper wrote: post #128
tom1337 wrote: post #36

I am also so confused as to what MinIO is now. All I see on the website is AIStor - have they dropped the "S3 Alternative" Marketing and went full AI?

If you want VC funding, your marketing pages need to go all-in on AI. Even if your product has nothing to do with it.

Unfortunately yes. I have been looking at one of the well-known VPN infrastructure providers and they use "AI" on their website a bazillion times. Insane.

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Post by quietbritishjim »

imiric wrote: post #226
quietbritishjim wrote: post #149

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> The fact you're paying for their service doesn't buy you these rights either. It certainly does. In the UK and many other countries (possibly not the US), as soon as you are paying for a good or service you are entitled that it is satisfactory quality, fit for purpose and as described. I think it's uncontentious that a meal at a restaurant that includes poo is not satisfactory quality. Businesses have less rights t…

> It certainly does. No, it doesn't. Yes, there are general safety regulations in any country, but there are no hard rules as to what "satisfactory" or "fit for purpose" means. My analogy was contrived to make a point. Of course serving actual feces is not "satisfactory". But I imagine that you can extrapolate my analogy into an infinite number of possibilities where someone who once enjoyed certain services or produ…

> No, it doesn't. Yes, there are general safety regulations in any country, but there are no hard rules as to what "satisfactory" or "fit for purpose" means.

There are not specific rules for every type of product in consumer law because that wouldn't be workable. Instead, you have to make your case in court, if it gets that far, that it doesn't meet that criteria. The judgements have to be made by squishy fallible humans, but it does happen; small claims courts rule on that sort of thing all the time. Your example would surely be found unsatisfactory.

So, yes, in the UK and other countries with a functioning political system, buying a product literally does buy you the right for satisfactory quality, and the right to get your money back if it isn't. That applies to everything from sandwiches to cars to email providers. (Again, that's only if you're a consumer. Protections are much weaker if you're purchasing as a business.)

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jamesnorden »

GrinningFool wrote: post #298
GrinningFool wrote: post #133

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> Leaving a known unsafe version as the last release is irresponsible. I think they should have done a better job of announcing this ahead of time (or at all, really); but there's realistically never going to be a CVE-free release to stop on, because the next CVE is just around the corner.

I'm not sure why I got downvoted here. Minio's behavior here is shitty - but in a day or a month after the last image is released, there /will/ be a CVE that affects that image. By GPs statement, when are they then able to stop releasing?

Probably because it's a meaningless platitude like saying the only safe computers are offline ones, it doesn't address the issue at hand.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by roygbiv2 »

smartbit wrote: post #332
williamstein wrote: post #268

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There is a nice table here https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-v... comparing RustFS to MinIO, including a claim about the MinIo support price.

Here an S3 compatibility table https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/reference-manua... comparing - GarageFS - OpenStack Swift - CEPH Object Gateway Rados - Riak CS - OpenIO

I'm currently testing for alternatives of minio on my homelab. Ceph was nice, lots of bells and whistles, built in support for virtual IPs is excellent, but on my aging hardware it was using 10-15% CPU in my VM while idle. Currently benchmarking garagefs, scales very well with core count and multi node set up is a breeze.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by imiric »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #416
imiric wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It certainly does. No, it doesn't. Yes, there are general safety regulations in any country, but there are no hard rules as to what "satisfactory" or "fit for purpose" means. My analogy was contrived to make a point. Of course serving actual feces is not "satisfactory". But I imagine that you can extrapolate my analogy into an infinite number of possibilities where someone who once enjoyed certain services or produ…

> No, it doesn't. Yes, there are general safety regulations in any country, but there are no hard rules as to what "satisfactory" or "fit for purpose" means. There are not specific rules for every type of product in consumer law because that wouldn't be workable. Instead, you have to make your case in court, if it gets that far, that it doesn't meet that criteria. The judgements have to be made by squishy fallible hu…

It's remarkable how you keep ignoring my point.

I set a deliberately contrived example to illustrate why someone might be understandably upset when a service or product they've been enjoying degrades in quality, regardless of whether they paid for it or not, and the parallels that situation has with OSS rug pulls. Yet you've managed to make this about consumer protection laws, for some reason.

Since the conversation has derailed, and since I really don't have the patience to rehash everything I've already said in this thread, I'm out.

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