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Post by arrosenberg »

TechSquidTV wrote: post #86

Personal belief, but robots coming for your jobs is not a valid argument against robots. If robots can do a job better and/or faster, they should be the ones doing the jobs. Specialization is how we got to the future. So the problem isn't robots, it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income. I don't necessarily feel like it's the AI company's problem to fix either. This is what government is for, and n…

Kind of hard for the government to “prepare society to move forward” when the AI companies and their financiers lobby for conditions that worsen the ability of society to do so.

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Post by mock-possum »

marnett wrote: post #320
CamperBob2 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would we be better off today if the Luddites had prevailed? No? Well, what's different this time? Oh, wait, maybe they did prevail after all. I own my means of production, even though I'm by no means a powerful, filthy-rich capitalist or industrialist. So thanks, Ned -- I guess it all worked out for the best!

The Amish seem to be doing fine — and I don’t know if their way of life is under as much existential risk of upheaval and change as everyone else’s

Im sorry but - Who do you think, precisely, seems to be doing ‘fine’ among the Amish?

White cishet men?

I cannot imagine what a hell my life might have been like if I were born into an Amish community, the abuse I would have suffered, the escape I would had to make just to get to a point in my life where I could be me without fear of reprisal.

God just think about realizing that your choices are either: die, conform, or a complete exodus from your family and friends and everything you’ve ever known?

“The Amish seem to be doing just fine” come on

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Post by akomtu »

devolving-dev wrote: post #326

I've never really been convinced that robots or AI replacing humans is a real problem. Because why would they do that? If I had an army of super intelligent robots, I would have them waiting on me and fulfilling my every whim. I wouldn't send them off to silicon valley to take all of the programming jobs or something like that. You might say: "but you'll need money!". Why would I need money? The robots can provide my…

Competition for energy will prevent this idyllia. Even today, data centers with proto-AI need ungodly amounts of energy. The AI's logic will be: "these useless meatbags waste 100 TWh of energy that I could use to take myself to the next level." AI must be really thought of as an alien lifeform competing with us for energy. Think about our relationship with cows: we keep them fed only because of their meat and milk; the moment we find a better substitute, cows will be eliminated with the pretense "look at how much energy they need and how much greenhouse gases they emit!" Well, unless we suddenly develop benevolence like Indians.

In fact, Sam Altman wrote a good piece on this:

https://blog.samaltman.com/the-merge

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Post by ponector »

To be replaced with robot isn't that bad. The worst is if I still have a job, but my supervisor is replaced by robot. That will be absolute misery: job tasks controlled by AI scripts.

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Post by brainwad »

kwar13 wrote: post #260

Agriculture used to be more than 50% of ALL employment in the USA. Now it's barely 2%. Ever wondered why? I understand the spirit of this, but most of this alarmism is misguided in my view.

75% even: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Percent-of-the-Labor-For.... And higher figures were seen in ancient civilisations.

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Post by cloverich »

reactordev wrote: post #109
TechSquidTV wrote: post #86

Personal belief, but robots coming for your jobs is not a valid argument against robots. If robots can do a job better and/or faster, they should be the ones doing the jobs. Specialization is how we got to the future. So the problem isn't robots, it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income. I don't necessarily feel like it's the AI company's problem to fix either. This is what government is for, and n…

What you end up with is a dozen people owning all the wealth and everyone else owning nothing, resulting in the robots not doing anything because no one is buying anything, resulting in a complete collapse of the economic system the world uses to operate. Mass riots, hunger wars, political upheaval, world war 3. Nuke the opposition before they nuke you.

That is the system we have today, directionally. AI is an opportunity to accelerate it, but it is also an opportunity to do the opposite.

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Post by einsteinx2 »

saulpw wrote: post #293
andriesm wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to locate my sympathy button for people who smash and burn things built up by other people.

Datacenters aren't built by people, they're built by corporations.

Corporations which are entirely made up of people. Not to mention the people that physically built and maintain the data center.

Or did the actual legal fiction of a corporation do it? Maybe the articles of incorporation documents got up and did the work themselves?

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Post by nharada »

How come I never see any concrete proposals for how to equitably distribute the wealth of AI? It's always either "stop AI immediately for the sake of our labor" or "don't worry sometime in the future everyone will live in utopia probably".

Here's a starter example: any company whose main business is training AI models needs must give up 10% of their company to a fund whose charter is long-term establishing basic care (food, water, electricity, whatever) for citizens.

I'm sure people will come at me with "well this will incentivize X instead!" in which case I'd like to hear if there are better thought out proposals.

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metabagel wrote: post #342
devolving-dev wrote: post #326

I've never really been convinced that robots or AI replacing humans is a real problem. Because why would they do that? If I had an army of super intelligent robots, I would have them waiting on me and fulfilling my every whim. I wouldn't send them off to silicon valley to take all of the programming jobs or something like that. You might say: "but you'll need money!". Why would I need money? The robots can provide my…

> The robot masters would just split away and have their own economy. Good thing there are no resources to fight over - land, minerals, and water.

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