I mean ... was making backups on the backlog at least? Can they at least point to the work item that was going to get done soonish ?
If it wasn't it most certainly is now
Why, there's nothing left to backup?
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the first time I see this site, who/what is phrack? A hacker group?
It’s a zine. Been around since the 80’s. Hackers / security industry types read and publish to it.
For more context, the name derives from "phone hacking" or phreacking. You got your legends like Captain Crunch and many of you big tech players were into this stuff when they were younger, such as Woz
This was also often tied to a big counter culture movement. Which one interesting thing is that many of those people now define the culture. I guess not too unlike how many hippies changed when they grew up
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#413At the very bottom of the article, I see this notice: > This article was originally written in Korean and translated by a bilingual reporter with the help of generative AI tools. It was then edited by a native English-speaking editor. All AI-assisted translations are reviewed and refined by our newsroom. I like that. It is direct and honest. I'm fine with people using LLMs for natural language related work, as long a…
It's still worse than useless : https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/ai-killed-my-job-transla...
I really don't get this take where people try to downplay AI the most where it is obviously having the most impact. Sure. A billion people are supposed to go back to awful machine translation so that a few tens of thousands can have jobs that were already commodity.
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
Woah, read the timeline at the top of this. The fire happened the very day the government ordered onsite inspection was supposed to start due to Chinese/NK hacking.
Phrack's timeline may read like it, but it wasn't an onsite inspection due to hacking, but a scheduled maintenance to replace the overdue UPS, hence battery-touching involved. Even the image they linked just says "scheduled maintenance."
look at the timeline again. this is the second fire.
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#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean...I feel you but holy hell dude. Nothing ? Boggles the mind. Edit: my bad backups in the room is something, somehow just forgot about that part
It wasn’t nothing. They had backups, according to yongjik above.
Do backups in the same room count as backups?
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#416https://phrack.org/issues/72/7_md#article
Ohh side note but this was the journalist group which was blocked by proton The timing as well is very suspicious and I think that there can be a lot of discussion about this Right now, I am wondering about the name most tbh which might seem silly but "APT down - The North Korean files" It seems that APT means in this case advanced persistent threat but I am not sure what they mean by Apt Down, like the fact that it…
For a moment there I was wondering if “apt down” was a typo and you meant “ifdown”. ;)
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
Witness A said, “It appears that the fire started when a spark flew during the process of replacing the uninterruptible power supply,” and added, “Firefighters are currently out there putting out the fire. I hope that this does not lead to any disruption to the national intelligence network, including the government’s 24 channel.”[1] [1] https://mbiz.heraldcorp.com/article/10584693
How large is this UPS that a fire can bring down all 96 servers? This story is really unbelievable.
I’m no expert but traditional lead acid battery UPS are typically at the bottom of the rack due to weight and concern about leakage. Wouldn’t surprise me if li-ion UPS go at the bottom as well. In that case if uncontrolled it seems pretty easy to torch an entire rack.
96 servers isn’t that many, probably less than 10 racks and given the state of the backups it would track that they didn’t spring for halon.
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#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
"suicide" in these circumstances is usually something else altogether. Even in cases it is executed by themselves, shame won't be the primary motivation.
You may want to familiarize yourself more with the culture around this in places like South Korea and Japan.
It can be posed as shame on the front side.
More often than not the suicide covers a whole organization's dirty laundry. You'll have people drunk and driving their cars over cliffs [0], low profile actors ending their life as shit hits the fan [0] etc.
Then some on the lower rank might still end their life to spare their family financially (insurance money) or because they're just so done with it all, which I'd put more on depression than anything.
Us putting it on shame is IMHO looking at it through rose colored glasses and masking the dirtier reality to make it romantic.
[0] https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/76130
[1] https://www.tsukubabank.co.jp/cms/article/a9362e73a19dc0efcf...
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I spent a week of my life at a major insurance company in Seoul once, and the military style security, the obsession with corporate espionage, when all they were working on was an internal corporate portal for an insurance company… The developers had to use machines with no Internet access, I wasn’t allowed to bring my laptop with me lest I use it to steal their precious code. A South Korean colleague told me it was…
> South Korean corporate management is stuffed full of ex-military officers For those unaware, all "able-bodied" South Korean men are required to do about two years of military service. This sentence doesn't do much for me. Also, please remember that Germany also had required military service until quite recently. That means anyone "old" (over 40) and doing corp mgmt was probably also a military officer.
The way it was explained to me was different... yes, all able-bodied males do national service. But there's a different phenomenon in which someone serves some years active duty (so this is not their mandatory national service, this is voluntary active duty service), in some relatively prestigious position, and then jumps ship to the corporate world, and they get hired as an executive by their ex-comrades/ex-superiors... so there ends up being a pipeline from more senior volunteer active duty military ranks into corporate executive ranks (especially at large and prestigious firms), and of course that produces a certain culture, which then tends to flow downhill
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#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
"suicide" in these circumstances is usually something else altogether. Even in cases it is executed by themselves, shame won't be the primary motivation.
In Korea, shame often serves as the primary motivator behind high-profile suicides. It's rooted in the cultural concept of "chemyeon (체면)", which imposes immense pressure to maintain a dignified public image.
Do you have any example of these high profile suicides that can't be better explained as "taking one for the team" for lack of a better idiom.
Shame is a powerful social force throughout the society, but we're talking about systematic screwings more often than not backed by political corruption (letting incompetent entities deal with gov contract on basis of political money and other favors) or straight fraud.