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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by bsder »

observationist wrote: post #139
BinaryIgor wrote: post #63

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In principle I agree, but in practice - what the better ways of doing things, as of now?

Use other services where necessary, and sparingly. Use only what's functionally necessary, and diversify. Encourage your employer or organization to avoid vendor lock. Don't ever meet with salespeople, stay in charge of your websites and infrastructure. Find a highly disagreeable technical engineer to tell you what you can get away with; you probably don't need the scale of the things CloudFlare, AWS, et al impose by…

DDoS via AI bots doesn't have a straightforward solution at the individual level (Anubis-like solutions only neutralize the dumbest of bots). If you have a reference otherwise, I'd love to have it.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by bsder »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #177
dewey wrote: post #169

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Fastmail is mentioned on every email provider suggestion thread on HN (Because they are great, happy user!), but they are not a transactional email provider which is what this product is about.

By transactional, do you mean a bulk sender? For that, I recommend SMTP2Go.

Transactional like "password reset message".

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by stavros »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #379
stavros wrote: post #299

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I can, but wouldn't that be a boring post? "I set my SMTP servers to this other thing and they still work"? :P Or do you mean if I get access to the beta? I probably won't :(

I have yet to read a boring stavros post, imgz.org for example. I encourage you to keep writing and keep building. Moar sassy knowledge sharing pls.

Haha, thanks, I'll write about something soon then!

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Post by chii »

thewebguyd wrote: post #403
chii wrote: post #402

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that's why the gov't has somehow shut down torrenting and piracy. Oh wait...

Piracy is already operating outside of the law, there's no corporation to take legal action against, only individuals. A company is (usually) operating within the law, and if they wish to stay operating, have to follow the laws of the nations they operate in.

in other words, i was trying to imply that the only way to prevent gov't overreach is to continue developing technical solutions which are distributed and decentralized, so that there's no single button for which the gov't could press for removal of these fundamental rights.

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

chipgap98 wrote: post #257
egorfine wrote: post #219

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> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?

I think it's being pointed out as an inherent weakness of greater centralization when it comes to the internet's resiliency against government interference and censorship. The internet used to be much more decentralized than it is today.

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Post by Gud »

stingraycharles wrote: post #68
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

No it wasn’t. The internet peaked in 2005, or whatever year Firefox had the most popularity.

It’s only been downhill from there.

The internet was a lot better place before American mega corporations took total control.

It was mostly neighborhood bulletin boards, fan zines and the occasional shop.

Today there is only bots, bots, bots, political lunatics and influencers dumbing down future generations.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Aeolun »

r00f wrote: post #203
segmondy wrote: post #161

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The internet is worse for me with Cloudflare. I'm using a cellphone router for my internet. My guess is I don't get a dedicated IP and probably behind a NAT with other users. 85% of my request needs me to solve a cloudflare captcha. on bad days I have to do this easily 100+ times.

It is not Cloudflare's fault. It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day. Thanks to Cloudflare I was able to reduce my website load threefold and downscale my VMs and my monthly cloud bill, and seeing how 50k daily requests were shown CAPTCHA and not even tried to solve it makes me terrified of running anything without Cloudflare. Don…

> It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day.

Many of my websites get 98% of their traffic from bots and bad actors, but it doesn’t really matter because the extra load of all these fake requests is absolutely negligible. I have a hard time understanding how someone would be bothered by an extra 50k requests a day. That’s less than a request per second. Most of the sites on even the weakest VM’s can easily do 10r/s these days.

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Post by johncolanduoni »

no_time wrote: post #404
johncolanduoni wrote: post #320

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I’ve never understood the evil MITM endgame here. Cloudflare’s ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach, and approximately all their revenue comes from large enterprises that will leave in droves (and some will actually sue them) if they started exploiting it. The thing where they let DDoSers use them to protect their public sites from rival DDoSers is sketchy as hell, but doe…

>Cloudflare’s ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness Crypto AG's ToS also presumably said "we pinky promise not to backdoor our devices" when selling it to foreign governments, and look how they ended up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

Crypto AG was a literal CIA front. Are you saying you think Cloudflare is a CIA front?
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