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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by hedora »

0_gravitas wrote: post #406
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Orion as well (by the Kagi people), not available on linux yet but there is a roadmap: web-kit based.

I wish they’d open source their work.

(Sent from orion on ios, with firefox’s ublock origin, etc enabled)

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by davedx »

Unlike others, I like that it's Chromium because it means I get the devtools. Whenever I try to use other browsers I always get held back by how they work in other browsers, and I do a lot of front-end dev.

I'm posting this comment from Helium and so far, so good! I would honestly say ignore the naysayers, everything is a trade off, including which browser engine you put under the hood.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by sixothree »

maxdo wrote: post #383
pjmlp wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is revisionism, IE only stagnated because they kind of wipedout the competition, like Chrome is today, and Microsoft withdraw most of the development resources from the team. WPF XAML was originally designed by ex IE team members, and they were the same that a few years later proposed XAML Grid concept as CSS Grid initial design. Many JavaScript devs have to thank their abuse of JavaScript in the browser to XMLH…

What do you expect from browser itself? It loads html + js . It’s no longer center of innovation.

Tabs would have been a nice feature to add.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by lynndotpy »

hedora wrote: post #409
lynndotpy wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you here. I want a viable non-Chromium browser. But even if that existed, I also think a practical Chromium browser is important to have access to. I'm a developer and I use the web, so sometimes I just need Chromium. I think that will continue to be necessary for at least 10 years. And I think the landscape of Chromium browsers is very bad. As a minimum, I want adblocking, low- or no-telemetry, timely s…

What is your definition of “viable”? Plenty of people own iPhones, which is locked down to webkit. Similarly, firefox is fine. I switch between it chromium and safari for dev work, and (unless you go out of your way to find a counterexample) they’re completely interchangeable in terms of compatibility and real-world performance. Firefox runs fine on android, so there’s not even a platform where chrome is the only cho…

I know this is not typical, but I just run into breaking bugs on Firefox on every platform which prevent me from using Firefox (except Intel MacOS, which I have not used, and Windows, which I haven't used in a few years.)

For Safari, the problem for most platforms is that it doesn't run on most platforms. It doesn't really count to me if I can't use it on my computers. (Caveat that there are non-Safari webkit browsers, but they're not very good.)

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by MinusGix »

mixtureoftakes wrote: post #233

WHY IS EVERYONE IN COMMENTS SO OLD AND BITTER WHAT ON EARTH ARE WE DOING

Generally because there's not that much to comment on, as this is effectively a somewhat prettier ungoogled chromium, and so there's not much room to make positive comments. Though I agree people get caught up in negativity easily.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by ramon156 »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #156

Yeesh, tough crowd in these comments. And yet everyone's excited for new Gmail skins. Anyway. I hope more people take ungoogled-chromium and create new interfaces. It's a shame that Servo's in an unusable state, I'd love to see more tooling around that. I just want someone to give me Opera 12...I suppose that's Vivaldi though.

I still have all my marbles on Ladybird and have no reason to change this. Helium just seems like something that wasn't thought out very far

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by lelanthran »

lynndotpy wrote: post #403
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

I agree with you here. I want a viable non-Chromium browser. But even if that existed, I also think a practical Chromium browser is important to have access to. I'm a developer and I use the web, so sometimes I just need Chromium. I think that will continue to be necessary for at least 10 years. And I think the landscape of Chromium browsers is very bad. As a minimum, I want adblocking, low- or no-telemetry, timely s…

> I agree with you here. I want a viable non-Chromium browser.

It doesn't look like you do.

Firefox has worked for me across 7 different employers in the last 15 years with no problems, and yet you haven't switched to it.

Actions speak louder than words. There is a viable alternative. You aren't using it.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by guywithahat »

godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

You say this like chromium is not the best browser experience we have. There used to be a point where everyone had to build websites for 5 different web engines, each of which had their own quirks. Now that we just build for one it's so much easier, and while chromium still does a great job I'm not sure why we'd want to create another, likely worse, engine and browser.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by lelanthran »

homebrewer wrote: post #342
esad wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's just me, but from time to time I try latest Servo build and it never survives more than few minutes of usage before crashing. Last time I did it was 3 days ago, I opened a website and it crashed with "RefCell already borrowed" in what seems to be a logger module. This always strikes me as weird because one of the selling points for Rust is memory and thread safety (quote from the website: "eliminate many c…

This is perfectly safe behavior, would you prefer it slightly corrupting the destination address when transferring money through online banking?

It's unwanted though.

I'd rather use the C++ app that doesn't crash than the Rust browser that crashes safely.

The last time I had firefox crash was over a decade ago.

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