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Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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How are buybacks defrauding anyone? They just return money to shareholders. The only material difference with dividends is the tax treatment. Even all the incentives are the same. > It's also unsustainable, in that you can only do this for so long before you've bought up all the open shares and there's so few remaining that your company is no longer effectively tradeable. What makes you think so? https://en.wikipedia…

> How are buybacks defrauding anyone? Mr Doctorow's point is that the company is taking money from its operations, which it should be spending on expanding those operations and increasing its value, and spending that money on artificially inflating its share price, by effectively wash trading the shares, creating artificial demand, and artificially reducing supply. If you bought shares in the company as a long-term p…

Thanks for the explanation.

How is any of that fraud? Fraud doesn't just mean you have to disagree with something someone does, but you have to have been lied to.

> And, of course, the executives who are incentivised on share price, for whom a buyback is a much, much, easier way to get those incentives than actually doing their jobs and using the money to grow the company.

Companies can and should adjust the incentives so that the effect of dividends and buybacks are the same for the executive. (They already adjust for share splits for example.)

> If you bought shares in the company as a long-term position in order to receive dividends then you do not benefit from buybacks, and arguably lose out (because the money used on the buyback could have been distributed as a dividend).

Before you buy any shares, you should check what management says about their plans. At least, if you have specific expectations.

Even if buybacks were outlawed, companies aren't guaranteed to pay dividends. It's perfectly legal to never make a profit, or to give all your excess money to charity. You just have to tell your shareholders.

> Mr Doctorow's point is that the company is taking money from its operations, which it should be spending on expanding those operations and increasing its value, and spending that money on artificially inflating its share price, by effectively wash trading the shares, creating artificial demand, and artificially reducing supply.

Yeah, that's a stupid objection.

The substantial first half of it would equally well apply to dividends. (And the whole point of giving money to companies as an investor is that eventually you are getting more back.)

The second half is just not how any of this works. Does he even know what a wash trade is? And what's 'artificial' about this?

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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Its sad but I think at this point its kind of a safety issue not to use an ad blocker. Those results are not clearly ads and I've clicked on fake links in the past when they were.

If you're trying to do anything in terms of official documents, there's a middleman charging more. I searched for "passport application" the other day and it was 4 ads of people offering this service. My dad was trying to get an ESTA visa a couple years ago and ended up paying twice the actual price, because he can't discern what's the official site or not.

That's down to US Government policies. If you tried middle-manning any for-profit like that, you'd get a cease and desist letter really quickly. But USG doesn't seem to care. We can't reasonably expect Google to be a gatekeeper here.

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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Podcasts are normally plain mp3 (or similar) files that get downloaded as-is off an rss feed, as far as I understand. I don’t think anyone gets extra ads outside the sponsored/host-read ones.

The big podcast networks like iHeart are able to dynamically splice ads into episodes, so they can be targeted based on geoIP or whatever other signals they have on you.

I listen to a lot of Stuff You Should Know and haven’t noticed. TIL I’m exempt from their targeted ads too!

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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Can anyone reproduce this? When I search "Midjourney", I get an ad for Midjourney (from Midjourney), followed by Midjourney, the site. After that, I get the Midjourney Discord, the Midjourney subreddit, the Midjourney Wikipedia page, and then (inexplicably), another Midjourney ad. That seems about as good as it could be. Edit: I guess I should say that I do agree that the quality of Google Search is pretty poor these…

I searched on DDG, first result was www.midjourney.com the second result was the Wikipedia article about midjourney.

That's pretty similar to what I see on Google

1. Actually website

2. Subreddit

3. Wikipedia

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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I’ve started asking ChatGPT to give me the right link. I can’t imagine they won’t start embedding ads too but so far, it’s been pretty clean.

That seems risky because of hallucinations. Wouldn't Google+Adblock be a better call?

Having it hallucinate a valid url that is spoofing the site I’m looking for feels less likely than someone managing to game SEO. Eclipse is a good example: the first result in Google is eclipseide.org, not eclipse.org.

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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How did they make any money at all without ads?

they didn't - hence the ads

They had plenty of success with the ads that didn't disrupt the main results until they decided that search results didn't matter and selling their users to malware was more profitable.

For many years they were very profitable, with great search results and good quality ads.

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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I don't know if curation is really the problem. Nearly every other platform has a search that when you search for "Mr Beast" on YouTube or "Elon Musk" on X they know you mean the popular one and not some 2-bit dork's fan page or parody that happens to have those words in the title/keywords. I think they just (A) have no idea what they're doing when it comes to search and (B) the scamware that fills all their App Stor…

> I don't know if curation is really the problem. A lack of oversight is what I see as the problem, and the solution would require a significant human element. Expecting a retailer to know/inspect the product they collect margins on shouldn't be a big ask. The retailer has to know what they're selling, but Apple seems to turn a blind eye to shady listings because of the way Mac App Store results are shown and the lac…

Lack of care, like previous commenters mentioned, each sale is a sale, and 30% to Apple. It does not matter what you sell. One step deeper and it does matter what you sell: it seems to incentivise spammy apps, why block these money makers?! It is all about money. Nothing else.

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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There was a time when Google disallowed this. Google even asked us (Firefox team) to report ads squatting on our trademarks. Eventually they stopped caring and now it's in their ad sales pitchdeck just how effective trademark squatting can be.

This is not allowed and the advertisers are on borrowed time: https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/6118?hl=en

You can bid on competitor's keywords, but not use their trademarked name in the copy, especially not in a deliberately confusing way.

But I don't think Google moderates this very proactively.

Re: Everything that's wrong with Google Search in one image

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When I search for "midjourney" without an adblocker a bunch of times, I'm getting: - No ads, with correct midjourney.com as the top result, about half the time - A legit ad for midjourney.com with the title "Your Imagination, Unlocked", the other half the time. It's the only ad, and the correct midjourney.com is also still directly below it as the first organic result So both seem fine for me. I've never seen ads on…

It's quite possible that the ads also got taken down, as they were against google ads' policies.

Tech companies routinely monitor social media like HN to take action.

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